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WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Jenise » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:28 pm

Three 2001's from Washington state:

2001 DeLille Cellars Chaleur Estate
Opened for Neil and Sue. Deep purple-red. Paulliac-ish in style with a spice, cigar box and graphite nose and brooding weight on the palate. Drinks well now but it's not done evolving.

2001 Soos Creek Artist's Series
Paired with the 01 Chaleur above which was a very good wine with more brooding weight, but this Soos was brighter and impressively spicier (think: Musar-ish)--a wine at it's true optimum drinking moment, and it won my heart.

2001 Andrew Will Cabernet Sauvignon Seven Hills Vineyard
Opened just last night. Reticent, fading black fruit with a starchy mouthfeel, not unlike jicama, and not undrinkable but disappointing. This wine isn't maturing, it's just going away. Have had older Sorellas (a Bdx blend from A Will) that performed better and many nice WA 01's from others, so better expectations weren't out of line. Just, in this case, unmet.


Things made from pinot noir and chardonnay:

1990 Louis Roederer Champagne Cristal Brut
Drinkable but ordinary, lacking the depth and grandeur this bottling should have. Worse, of about nine I bought some time back from a good, trusted cellar, about every other bottle has been disappointing in this same way. Scary.

1999 Delamotte Champagne Brut
I love aged champagne and this bottle had everything that makes me say that. Deep golden color with rich, yeasty brioche and baked apples in a decadent finish. Great mousse and persistence. Thank you, Hal, for hooking me up with these bottles.

2000 Bernard Dugat-Py Gevrey-Chambertin Vieilles Vignes - Coeur de Roy
Served with an excellent 91 DRC, which did not do it a disservice (major credit to both wines here) despite the oak which, though evident, is successfully integrating into the wine. Nicely and only just middle aged with youthful fruit showing some secondary development and a bright future ahead. Resonates very well in the shadow of the older wine. From John and Annabelle's Cellar.

1991 Domaine de la Romanée-Conti Echezeaux
Bright ruby with orange-y hues. Ethereal nose and palate of tea, potpourri, tar and cherry pie with an elongated finish. Though somewhat past peak with no tannins left to speak of, that's not really a complaint as it's definitely not done being a great glass of wine. Lovely. Shared with us by the same wonderful couple that showed up in Lyon all those years ago with a bottle of La Tache--so many great wine moments we've shared!

2007 Hanzell Chardonnay, Sonoma Valley
Big, rich and beautifully aged. Apple, lemon curd and some rich unsweetened marzipan-like almond flavors. As serious as chardonnay gets in a warm year in California--not inexpensive but you can taste every penny. Stunning with an elevated Mexican seafood meal featuring crab and green chile enchiladas.
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Clint Hall » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:05 am

Hey, you are drinking well these days, Jenise.
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Florida Jim » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:17 am

Jenise,
When they first appeared on the scene (early '90's, if I recall) I tried a bunch of DeLille and Andrew Will wines. In those days, they did not get quite the press they do today.
Generally, I found the oak to be the currency they were trading in and I got bored pretty quick.
A lot of water under that bridge and lots of folks singing their praises but I have not returned - several times burned, pretty damn shy.
No doubt, they have their patrons - be hard for me to go back.
Soos, on the other hand, I have never had. And here you are pimping them.
Bad Jenise - go lay down. :)
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Florida Jim » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:18 am

Oh, and FWIW, I have found Dugat-Py oak integrates - you just have to get old.
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Jenise » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:24 am

Clint Hall wrote:Hey, you are drinking well these days, Jenise.


Clint, these were opened for guests or with visiting friends during my birth fortnight. A bit off the usual schedule!
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Jenise » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:26 am

Florida Jim wrote:Oh, and FWIW, I have found Dugat-Py oak integrates - you just have to get old.
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I would have said that about other Dugat Pys I've had, but not this one. In the end I could be wrong (again), but I'd guess this about as low-key as Dugat Py gets.
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Re: WTN: DRC, Dugat Py, Soos Creek, Chaleur, Cristal, etc

by Jenise » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:32 am

Florida Jim wrote:Jenise,
When they first appeared on the scene (early '90's, if I recall) I tried a bunch of DeLille and Andrew Will wines. In those days, they did not get quite the press they do today.
Generally, I found the oak to be the currency they were trading in and I got bored pretty quick.
A lot of water under that bridge and lots of folks singing their praises but I have not returned - several times burned, pretty damn shy.
No doubt, they have their patrons - be hard for me to go back.
Soos, on the other hand, I have never had. And here you are pimping them.
Bad Jenise - go lay down. :)
Best, Jim


I know where your preferences are coming from these days and understand it would be 'hard to go back'. I certainly didn't find anything in this Andrew Will to go back for, and I will prefer the DeLille in years to come more than I did now. But the Soos Creek--that was a revelation. Even you, I think, would approve.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov

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