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Paradigm shift

by Florida Jim » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:06 pm

An evening at the Fig Café in Glen Ellen with old friends both of whom are wine professionals. We each bring a bottle of wine without any communication about what it should be. Curiously, we both bring Vosne-Romanée.

1999 Dom. Bruno Clavelier, Vosne-Romanée Les Beaux Monts:
More about vintage than dirt, with some roasted fruit notes and plenty of flesh. Good depth, some development, good length and grip. Fine with steak.

1996 Jadot, Vosne-Romanée Les Suchots:
Also more about vintage than dirt but in a different way; firm, acidic, linear; some development, good length and grip. Fine with steak.

Neither was stellar, both were enjoyable. Mainly, they were savory, not sweet; each showed some secondary character; neither was especially complex, and, both reflected vintage reasonably well.
We did not pick a favorite nor did any of us think either was so exceptional as to be one.

Sacrilege though it might be, the more I drink old Burgundy, the more I prefer well-made, California pinot. At a fraction of the price (but even without the price difference).
And yes, I have had the “Burgundy experience,” problem is, not very often.

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Re: Paradigm shift

by Jon Leifer » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:27 pm

no sacrilege, Jim..I suspect you have a lot of company..I stopped buying Burgundy a longggg time ago,too many disappointments and not enough winners...I much prefer Cal and Oregon PN's.
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Re: Paradigm shift

by David M. Bueker » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:58 pm

I think in virtually all cases the perfect, aged bottle is a rare find. I can't count the number of times I have heard the oohs and ahhs around the table, only to be thinking to myself "meh." Usually it's easier to just go along and not spoil peoples' fun.

That said there are ways to up the odds. Suchots is rarely one of those way (huge vineyard). Beaux Monts is also not the sure thing in delicious Burgundy. Most of what is sure to impress from Vosne is now priced so far out of reach that I just tend ot go in another direction.

I do share some of your enthusiasm for California Pinot. Also California Syrah. There's lots out there that is delicious and a joy to drink. Joy is what it's all about. Isn't it?
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Re: Paradigm shift

by Mark Lipton » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:49 pm

Far be it from me to defend Burgundy. After all, who needs more competition for already scarce bottles? (as an aside, I just got an email from HDH telling me that the biggest "winners" in their most recent auction were Roumier Bonnes Mares that went for ca. $2500 a bottle, triple the expected price :shock: ). That being said, the watchword as always is producer. Certain producers can reliably make wines that will provide great pleasure and, occasionally, transcendence. The best strategy is to cultivate deep-pocketed friends who periodically open incredible bottles for you. Alternatively, become one of those deep-pocketed friends yourself and open those bottles for your friends.

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Re: Paradigm shift

by Brian K Miller » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:27 pm

I guess as a contrarian...I just don't care for the fruit flavor profile in most New World pinots. So, I guess I am not the best person to comment on pinots! That floral cough drop profile leaves me cold.

Plus...I love acid. Lyle Fass is a god to me! :lol:

Earthier, mustier, musroomier pinots...which you can find in the New World...I love them.
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Re: Paradigm shift

by Jon Leifer » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:18 pm

Brian: where is Lyle these days?
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Re: Paradigm shift

by David M. Bueker » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:22 pm

Jon,

Lyle is now doing his own import business: Fass Selections.
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Re: Paradigm shift

by Jon Leifer » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:04 pm

Thanks, David, appreciate the info..Hadn't seen or heard anything from or about Lyle in quite some time..remember him from his retail days and occasional postings ..
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