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Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Tom Troiano wrote:Also, a signficant % of diners seem to be intimidated by the wine lists at anything but the low end chain type places (entrees $10-30) and so they are much more likely to do WBTG if they opt for wine..
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Tom Troiano wrote:You may be right but I just think that ordering a glass of Merlot is far less intimidating than looking at the 15 Merlots on the wine list. I just think for some that picking up and opening the wine list is intimidating/foreign.
Brian K Miller
Passionate Arboisphile
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:05 am
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Rahsaan wrote:I would imagine that a bigger factor would be desired amount of consumption. People might not want to drink more than a glass or two and might not be concerned about maximizing their dollar per ounce of wine ratio.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Clint Hall wrote:The situation Brian mentions -- when people order different dishes -- is a darned good reason to order by the glass. Everybody has some vague idea that different wines go better with different things, which are often wrong but certainly provide incentive to buy by the glass.
But this discussion makes it clear that people who run restaurants have difficult wine decisions to make. People like to order by the glass, so maybe it's a good idea to add more by-the-glass wines to the menu, but then people feel uncomfortable buying wine if there are lots of choices. And so it goes.
Hoke wrote:Diners at lower priced restaurants (entrées between $10 and $30) preferred red wines, with the top wines being blends, Cabernet, and Pinot Noir; but Malbec and Prosecco were also important here. Sixty-nine percent of all wine sales in these restaurants were by the glass.
In contrast, at medium priced restaurants (entrées between $31 and $60), Chardonnay emerged as the top varietal wine by the glass, while Cabernet led in sales by the bottle. But fully 80% of the wines sold in this segment were by the glass. "It's astonishing how important these by-the-glass programs have become," says Hermsmeyer.
Hoke wrote:Clint Hall wrote:The situation Brian mentions -- when people order different dishes -- is a darned good reason to order by the glass. Everybody has some vague idea that different wines go better with different things, which are often wrong but certainly provide incentive to buy by the glass.
But this discussion makes it clear that people who run restaurants have difficult wine decisions to make. People like to order by the glass, so maybe it's a good idea to add more by-the-glass wines to the menu, but then people feel uncomfortable buying wine if there are lots of choices. And so it goes.
Clint, you're correct. There's a fine line somewhere, but no one knows where it is. I've seen everything in wbtg lists from sad little carafe selections of predictable and booooring to over-enthusiastic and obviously poorly managed btg of over 100 wines (and how could anyone manage the freshness of that many wines without a robust system? And even then...)
There's too little choice on one end; too much on the other end; and very finely nuanced and well thought out lists in the middle. But when you do find one, it's a lovely experience.
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