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WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Bill Hooper » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:18 am

Last night I made my quarter-yearly Wiener Schnitzel for the family. I was really craving Mosel kabinett, which is hard to come by in the Pfalz outside of a bottle or two of Egon Müller or Willi Schaefer, but luckily I found some 2011 Von Othegraven Wiltingen Kupp Riesling Kabinett (Saar -9% alc.). I love the wines from this estate, but have to admit that my experience has been limited to the Kanzemer Altenberg bottlings (the 2007 and 2008 Kabinett Erste Lage Rieslinge were some of my favorite wines from those vintages from any region.) I’m sad to say that this was a different animal. It had some very intriguing pome fruit flavors, but was still a little reductive –it smelled an awful lot like apples overwintering in a root cellar. A little dusting of cinnamon was outplayed by papaya and peach, flavors that no doubt came about from the warm vintage. Right now this wine is rather one-dimensional and cloyingly sweet without the backbone of acidity that I expect from Saar Riesling (though I really should have known better, it being a 2011). I don’t often pour a bottle down the sink, but this just wasn’t much fun to drink.

What turned out to be the much better match (and for me, the much better wine) was a simple 2011 Bürgerspital Silvaner QbA Trocken from Franken (12% alc.): Taut, leesy, mineral, with quince and lemon and flattering acidity –very clean and pure after a 2010 bottling that had its ups and downs. –Definitely a repeat buy for me.

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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Andrew Bair » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:49 pm

Hi Bill -

Thank you for the notes.

I, too, have enjoyed the Kanzemer Altenberg bottlings from von Othegraven, but have yet to encounter any of theirs from Kupp or Bockstein. Although Altenberg is really their best vineyard, it would still be interesting to try some of these others sometime. Too bad that this one was a dud.

What is your overall take on Bürgerspital? I've only ever had one of their wines, and that was incidentally my first ever Frankenwein. My impression is that they are in that Franconian "second tier", behind the likes of Furst, Horst Sauer, and Wirsching.
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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Bill Hooper » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:19 am

Andrew Bair wrote:Hi Bill -

Thank you for the notes.

I, too, have enjoyed the Kanzemer Altenberg bottlings from von Othegraven, but have yet to encounter any of theirs from Kupp or Bockstein. Although Altenberg is really their best vineyard, it would still be interesting to try some of these others sometime. Too bad that this one was a dud.

What is your overall take on Bürgerspital? I've only ever had one of their wines, and that was incidentally my first ever Frankenwein. My impression is that they are in that Franconian "second tier", behind the likes of Furst, Horst Sauer, and Wirsching.


Hi Andrew,

Yes, a shame about the Von Othegraven. I'm not going to give up on the estate, but probably won't buy anymore sweeter 2011s from them. Might try a drier Riesling though.

I've had some amazing wines from Bürgerspital -mostly Silvaner. They have excellent sites in the Würzburger Stein and Stein-Harfe. But yes. Horst Sauer stands alone IMO. And after Fürst and Wirsching comes Bürgerspital, Juliusspital, Schönborn and Löwenstein among others (May comes to mind.)

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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Andrew Bair » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:53 pm

Bill Hooper wrote:
Hi Andrew,

Yes, a shame about the Von Othegraven. I'm not going to give up on the estate, but probably won't buy anymore sweeter 2011s from them. Might try a drier Riesling though.

I've had some amazing wines from Bürgerspital -mostly Silvaner. They have excellent sites in the Würzburger Stein and Stein-Harfe. But yes. Horst Sauer stands alone IMO. And after Fürst and Wirsching comes Bürgerspital, Juliusspital, Schönborn and Löwenstein among others (May comes to mind.)

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Hi Bill -

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on Bürgerspital - hopefully, I'll see more from them in the future, along with the Schönborn/Hallburg wines since Rudi Wiest is now representing them.
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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Keith M » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:18 pm

Bill Hooper wrote:Horst Sauer stands alone IMO. And after Fürst and Wirsching comes Bürgerspital, Juliusspital, Schönborn and Löwenstein among others (May comes to mind.)

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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Bill Hooper » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:35 am

Hi Keith,

I don't have enough experience to comment on Ruck. I need to get over to Franken this fall.

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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Oliver McCrum » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:23 pm

I love Franken Sylvaner.
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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Bill Hooper » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:54 pm

I do too Oliver, but that is Silvaner with an 'i'! :wink:

I'm going to put in a request to the TTB that 'Sylvaner' labeling should correctly include 'Grüner Silvaner' for American grown examples. Now if only we could get someone to plant it in a suitable spot and take care of it properly...

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Re: WTN: 2011s -Saar Riesling Kabinett, Franken Silvaner

by Oliver McCrum » Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Bill,

I'm used to Sylvaner from the Eisacktal, I suppose you're right if Franken.

Given that they speak German in the South Tyrol, I wonder why they don't spell it Silvaner?
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