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Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Peter May » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:52 am

TTB has now approved the name Carignan without the 'e'.

Always puzzled me why Carignan gained an 'e' in the US as it implied a last symbol pronunciation to rhyme with name.
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Re: Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Bill Hooper » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:57 am

I don't think that I've ever seen it with the 'e'. How long has this been going on?
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Re: Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Victorwine » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:39 pm

Ask an Italian grape vine grower what it is, he might call in Gragnano; ask a Spanish vine grower he might call it Tinto Mazuelo, Crujillon, Carinyena, or Carinena: ask a Portuguese vine grower he might call it Pinot Evara.

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Re: Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Mark Willstatter » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:41 pm

Peter May wrote:TTB has now approved the name Carignan without the 'e'.

Always puzzled me why Carignan gained an 'e' in the US as it implied a last symbol pronunciation to rhyme with name.


I'm not sure it's a big deal either way. Carignane bottled as a varietal is fairly unusual and on the occasion when it is, I don't think I've ever heard it mispronounced. Still, in the name of international consistency I suppose we might as well spell it the way it is elsewhere.

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Bill Hooper wrote:I don't think that I've ever seen it with the 'e'. How long has this been going on?


Bill, the answer to your question is "forever". That's just how it is and always has been spelled in California. As I said above, bottled Carignane is not that common (although appears more on labels often as part of a blend) but when it is that's how it's spelled. From Peter's post I gather maybe that's legally the only way it *could* have been spelled in order to pass muster with label authorities.
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Re: Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Craig Winchell » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:40 pm

In California, most farmers call it Kerrigan, like Nancy, the skater. Given that, I think the e adds something, something that says that ain't the way to pronounce it, whether or no the farmers look at the name in print or even give a hoot.
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Re: Carignane - time to lose the 'e' ?

by Peter May » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:15 pm

I've got some varietal Carignan and of course its predominate in some blends. On US wines I've only seen it as a component in Ridge blends, but it seems Ridge do make varietals of it, as do Ravenswood and almost 200 others in California - according to CellarTracker

It was through entering my wines on CT that I learned that the variety has an 'e' on the end in the USA as that's the way the variety is shown on CT.

And yes, until now only Carignane with an 'e' was allowed on US labels

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