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WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Salil » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:18 am

Few impressions from a casual dinner at Triomphe.

1985 Henri Sorrel Hermitage
Seems to be past its best years but there's still some enjoyment here; green olives, red fruits and tarter citrus flavours framed with leather and developed sous bois elements on a gentle, lightweight frame. The tannins are fully integrated and it's a little soft in the mouth but certainly quite a pleasant drink if not compelling.

1971 M. Chapoutier Côte-Rôtie
Perhaps the best wine I've had from Chapoutier, and very different from any of the dense, modern wines I've seen from the estate in recent years. Fully mature but still drinking nicely with gentle red berried fruit beneath layers of mature bloody, meaty, iron and earthy elements; there's a sense of real polish and harmony on the palate with the flavours coming together seamlessly and good acidity still keeping it fresh and lively.

1989 Robert Michel Cornas La Geynale
Tastes like generic old red wine. Every now and then there's a suggestion of something meatier or forestal beyond faded red fruit, but there's nothing of interest here. A shame considering just how good recent bottles of the '90 have been.

1985 E. Guigal Côte-Rôtie Brune et Blonde
Lightly corked.

1987 E. Guigal Côte-Rôtie La Mouline
Still shows signs of its oak with sweet licorice, cedary and exotic spicy elements framing bright red and dark fruited flavours and a savoury roasted meaty character. Very polished in the mouth, medium weight with the tannins mostly integrated and conveying its range of flavours with a sense of seamlessness. A bit more modern in style than I'd normally like, but still very nice.

1985 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Hermitage La Chapelle
Fantastic stuff. Incredibly complex and layered, seamlessly combining waves of red fruits, sauvage meaty and leathery flavours and other savoury tarry, smoky and earthy elements into a fragrant, polished whole. There's great balance and depth here, a sense of elegance and refinement to the texture and good persistence - just a superb wine to sit down with and enjoy with food.
Sadly, a bottle of the 2000 La Chapelle at the same table was the complete opposite - massively oaky, modern and (for my tastes) really unpleasant. Sigh, La Chapelle used to be such great wine once...
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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Florida Jim » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:19 am

Salil,
I have had La La's going back a very long time and have never known them to outgrow their oak. Which means, I will never buy one, of any age.
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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Salil » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:00 pm

Appreciate the info, Jim. I'm not a buyer either. I find the wines well made but charmless, but did expect that in the style of a lot of older Bordeaux, Ridge or some new world Syrahs like Wendouree, that the wines would eventually absorb the oak - shame to hear that isn't the case. I enjoy drinking the occasional bottle, but they aren't wines I'd want to drink with any sort of regularity and at the price point I am not a buyer (and don't expect to ever be, not when the likes of Eric Texier and Thierry Allemand are making such stellar, classical wines for far less that I enjoy a lot more.)
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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by David M. Bueker » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:23 pm

Totally out of character for me, but I love the La Las.
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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by ChaimShraga » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:28 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Totally out of character for me, but I love the La Las.


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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Florida Jim » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:36 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Totally out of character for me, but I love the La Las.

Yes, David, you are a total character. :)
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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Fredrik L » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:59 pm

Salil wrote:1985 E. Guigal Côte-Rôtie Brune et Blonde
Lightly corked.


Around the time of bottling Guigal bought a cheap batch of corks from Chapoutier, well aware that they were sub-par. I suppose lots of them ended up in the negociant bottlings. I have opened no less than twenty-one bottles, twelve of those TCA-affected... :evil:

Guigal also bought dull Condrieu from Chapoutier, re-bottled it and sold the lot to undiscriminating drinkers in Northern Europe. Yes, I am talking about the Swedish state monopoly... Standard procedure in Champagne, but normally not in Rhône.

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Re: WTN: Some more old Northern Rhones

by Tim York » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:00 am

Salil wrote:
1971 M. Chapoutier Côte-Rôtie
Perhaps the best wine I've had from Chapoutier, and very different from any of the dense, modern wines I've seen from the estate in recent years. Fully mature but still drinking nicely with gentle red berried fruit beneath layers of mature bloody, meaty, iron and earthy elements; there's a sense of real polish and harmony on the palate with the flavours coming together seamlessly and good acidity still keeping it fresh and lively.



In those days, Chapoutier used to mature most of its wines in (horse?) chestnut barrels. The results were supposedly most rustic than with oak and are deplored by modernists. They seemed more than acceptable at the time and the very few from that generation which have come my way recently have been good.

Additionally, many of their (H)ermitage cuvées were non-vintage but Michel put a stop to all these eccentricities.
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