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WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Tim York » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:42 am

Maximin Grünhäuser Abtsberg Alte Reben trocken 2008 – C. von Schubert - Alc.11% was bone dry, perfect with oysters and very good with Alsatian choucroute. It showed medium/light body with the usual lovely Abtsberg fragrance, minerality and very crisp but non-astringent acidity allied with quite dense substance and a firm finish with a surprising degree of salinity. More subtle and complex than a bottle two years ago without any loss of crsipness; 16.5/20+++.

Incidentally I recall a conversation with Dr. Carl von Schubert a couple of years ago in which he recommended richer and sweeter styles of his wines with high iodine oysters on the grounds that they would be a much better foil for such oysters than a bone dry wine, which would tend to be hardened. I wonder; there was no unacceptable hardening here though these oysters' iodine content was not especially high.

Vouvray sec 1998 – Domaine du Clos Naudin, Philippe Foreau – Alc.13%. 1998 was a difficult vintage and I believe that Foreau only made this dry cuvée with no demi-sec and moelleux. The wine went through a long closed period. The colour is now quite deep yellow. The nose showed nice notes of apple pie, flinty minerals and a touch of wax. The palate was bone dry, crystalline, flavourful and brightly focussed with aromas similar to the nose, medium body, some depth and good length with only residual greenness from the difficult growing and harvesting season; 16.5/20.

Savennières Cuvée Spéciale 1995 – Château d’Epiré – Alc.13% was a very deep yellow and showed a strong nuttiness at first which suggested fairly advanced oxidisation, although with a lot of good elements underneath but disjointed; we left about two-thirds of the bottle to use in cooking. I was therefore surprised that, after three or four days in the fridge, the remainder was much better focussed with the oxidative notes receded into an acceptable element of complexity. There were complex aromas of quince, wax, acacia, gentle nuts and minerals on the medium/full, dry and quite round palate with some residual primary fruit, typical Loire minerality and enough smooth acidity for freshness and balance (the 96s showed crisper acidity); this seems to demonstrate that old style Savennières needs decanting; 16.5/20+ on re-opening.
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Dale Williams » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:01 pm

great notes (applies to all three of your posts!)
I would not generally have thought of Riesling (trocken or off dry) with oysters, maybe I need to experiment more.
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:45 pm

Agree with Dale, great posts indeed...as always!
The oysters/wine match up I too would never have envisaged. Must be the air over Brussels! I can see the relation to Choucroute.
Oh, I see we are talking Trocken, now that might make possible sense?
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Tim York » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:08 pm

Dale Williams wrote:great notes (applies to all three of your posts!)
I would not generally have thought of Riesling (trocken or off dry) with oysters, maybe I need to experiment more.


I agree that Riesling with oysters is not an intuitive pairing; too fragrant usually and in consequence sweet seeming, even when "trocken". I have had one before from Grünhaus which worked, a trocken 2001 I think. 2008 was a high acid vintage resulting in a bone dry impression (analytically I don't know) and the fragrance though present was less marked than often. As far Carl von Schubert's idea of richer styles with oysters, I haven't dared to try it.
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:11 pm

2010 Mosel with oysters! Lots of acidity there Tim.
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Tim York » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:22 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:2010 Mosel with oysters! Lots of acidity there Tim.


IMO you would need a trocken unless you have the courage to try that experiment with one with RS. I haven't had any 2010s from the Mosel as yet but they certainly have a reputation for high acidity, even more than 2008.
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Re: WTN: 3 dry whites; Grünhaus w oysters, Vouvray& Savennières

by Rahsaan » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:38 pm

Tim York wrote:
Dale Williams wrote:great notes (applies to all three of your posts!)
I would not generally have thought of Riesling (trocken or off dry) with oysters, maybe I need to experiment more.


I agree that Riesling with oysters is not an intuitive pairing; too fragrant usually and in consequence sweet seeming, even when "trocken"..


Dry rieslings from Baden are much less floral and fragrant than the Mosel/Rhein wines and can mimic many aspects of Muscadet (salty, minerally, tart), which should go very well with oysters.

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