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WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

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WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Salil » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:46 pm

Utterly brilliant.
Smoky, savoury earthy, floral and deep red and dark fruited scents lead into a palate that still feels incredibly primary and tannic, but at the same time shows incredible depth already. With time the tannin smooths out a little and it unravels further showing more herbal and peppery fragrances. It's certainly bigger and riper than Croix Boissée has been in most years, but there's impeccable balance here, great finesse and I'm excited to see what happens to the rest of this case with time. At $36 it may be a fair bit pricier than the Grezeaux but it's a totally different wine and one that's definitely worth going long on.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Ben Rotter » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:57 pm

Good to know! (I haven't tried it yet - am sitting on some). Your comments chime with Chris Kissack's (thewinedoctor.com), so I feel doubly assured.

Any thoughts on drinking now vs drinking in years to come (I realise this comes down to personal taste to some extent)?
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Salil » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:09 am

Give it some air if you're drinking now. It'll be amazing with time, if the slightly older bottles of CB I've had are anything to go by. A 2006 a few weeks ago was outstanding. But get enough so that you can enjoy it young and with age.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by David M. Bueker » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:04 am

Mine are already buried. Maybe I should dig one out.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Salil » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:12 am

David M. Bueker wrote:Mine are already buried. Maybe I should dig one out.

Don't bother. You'll get to try it soon enough.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Tim York » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:17 pm

Salil, isn't this infanticide?
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by David M. Bueker » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:19 pm

Tim York wrote:Salil, isn't this infanticide?


Doesn't it make sense to try a bottle of any new vintage young?
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Tim York » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:22 pm

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Tim York wrote:Salil, isn't this infanticide?


Doesn't it make sense to try a bottle of any new vintage young?


Yes, if you have a lot of bottles, but still infanticide :wink: .
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Salil » Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:16 pm

Not as much a case of trying it young as enjoying what it has to offer now.

I find that a lot of top Loire Cab Franc (Clos Rougeard and Baudry in particular) are compelling young as there's already a fascinating herbal/earthy/high toned complexity around all the rich primary fruit. It's not like drinking a young Bordeaux or Hermitage where the wines hint at potential behind a ton of structure - young Baudry for me provides an incredible pleasure that's worth opening a few bottles to enjoy, and different from the pleasures they offer with age.
I don't know if the wines go through muted/'closed' phases in their development, but the various Baudrys I've had at different ages suggest they're great wines to follow and reward opening at a lot of different points.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Chris Newport » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:28 pm

The '09 Grezeaux was fantastic shortly after release. I drank so many I had to go back and buy more... I'm sure it will be great after some time in the cellar, and I have some tucked away, but I didn't see any downside to drinking it young.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Tim York » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:00 am

Salil wrote:Not as much a case of trying it young as enjoying what it has to offer now.

I find that a lot of top Loire Cab Franc (Clos Rougeard and Baudry in particular) are compelling young as there's already a fascinating herbal/earthy/high toned complexity around all the rich primary fruit. It's not like drinking a young Bordeaux or Hermitage where the wines hint at potential behind a ton of structure - young Baudry for me provides an incredible pleasure that's worth opening a few bottles to enjoy, and different from the pleasures they offer with age.
I don't know if the wines go through muted/'closed' phases in their development, but the various Baudrys I've had at different ages suggest they're great wines to follow and reward opening at a lot of different points.


Salil, I go along with what you say there. Wines show different facets as they age and one is missing something if one always insists on "mature" bottles, though closed periods are best avoided if one can time them accurately. One of the things which keeps me buying against a well stocked cellar of wines 10 years old upwards is the desire for the vibrant freshness of young wines.

However I am wary of the more ambitious cuvées of Loire CabFranc when young, although they are nothing like so undrinkable as 90% of "great" Bordeaux less than, say, 10 years of age, which for me are spoilt by undigested wood flavours. AFAIK I've never tasted a Croix Boissée as young as your 2009 and I guess that the fact that Baudry uses no new wood helps its digestibility.

BTW have you tried the white Croix Boissée? A lovely wine made in tiny quantities.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Zachary Ross » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:58 pm

Baudry uses new wood for the Croix Boissée, according to the Louis/Dressner website.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by David M. Bueker » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Zachary Ross wrote:Baudry uses new wood for the Croix Boissée, according to the Louis/Dressner website.


According to this, they do not:

http://www.wineterroirs.com/2012/02/ber ... .html#more
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Thomas G » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:36 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Zachary Ross wrote:Baudry uses new wood for the Croix Boissée, according to the Louis/Dressner website.


According to this, they do not:

http://www.wineterroirs.com/2012/02/ber ... .html#more

I didn't see any mention of new wood or not.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Tim York » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:25 am

David M. Bueker wrote:
Zachary Ross wrote:Baudry uses new wood for the Croix Boissée, according to the Louis/Dressner website.


According to this, they do not:

http://www.wineterroirs.com/2012/02/ber ... .html#more



And according to this site also, they do not http://www.chinon.com/vignoble/Bernard-Baudry/vins.aspx . This is as close as exists to a Baudry website. Note the words- "Maturing in casks (1 to 3 years old) for 12 to 14 months".
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by David M. Bueker » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:30 am

Thomas G wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:
Zachary Ross wrote:Baudry uses new wood for the Croix Boissée, according to the Louis/Dressner website.


According to this, they do not:

http://www.wineterroirs.com/2012/02/ber ... .html#more

I didn't see any mention of new wood or not.


Near the end it states 1-3 "wines" old.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Zachary Ross » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:16 am

It is confusing. The Dressner PDF document says "Aged in new oak (1 to 3 years) for 12 to 14 months."

http://louisdressner.com/producers/Baudry/
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by David M. Bueker » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:58 am

Zachary Ross wrote:It is confusing. The Dressner PDF document says "Aged in new oak (1 to 3 years) for 12 to 14 months."

http://louisdressner.com/producers/Baudry/


Well I certainly hope that this discussion of the use of oak on the Croix Boissée casues one of those vaunted internet backlashes against the wine. I would really like even lower pricing, as well as the opportunity to buy the wine in unbelievably large formats (e.g. the palate-thuzelah).
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Zachary Ross » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:19 am

David M. Bueker wrote:
Zachary Ross wrote:It is confusing. The Dressner PDF document says "Aged in new oak (1 to 3 years) for 12 to 14 months."

http://louisdressner.com/producers/Baudry/


Well I certainly hope that this discussion of the use of oak on the Croix Boissée casues one of those vaunted internet backlashes against the wine. I would really like even lower pricing, as well as the opportunity to buy the wine in unbelievably large formats (e.g. the palate-thuzelah).


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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Salil » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:07 am

No new oak - David Lillie's mentioned before that the barrels are 1 to 3 years old.
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Re: WTN: 2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée

by Thomas G » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:13 pm

No confusion, new oak 1-3 years. Driven by a little old lady, good as new.

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