Help with the Beerenausles on the LoS wine list

I am going back to LoS this Friday and Saturday so started looking at the list that is available on-line. Copied below is what is available in Beerenauslese once I elminate all bottles over $200. The problem is that elminating those over $200 also eliminated most of the houses I know. The 1983 Abtsberg in bold caught my attention but I don't know if 1983 was a good year. I konw that 1976 was suppose to be superb and seem to recall that 1971 was also considered great. I am wondering if one of those may be a better option.

RIESLING BEERENAUSLESE
FULL-BOTTLE (750ML)
1452 A. Rheinart Ockener Bockstein, Mosel 1971 175
1456 Dr. Burkin-Wolf Wachenheimer Rechbachel, Pfalz 1971 195
1568 Dr. Fischer Ockfener Bockstein, Mosel 1976 150
1569 FWG Trittenheimer Apotheke, Mosel 1976 125
1570 Geschwister Schuch Niersteiner Heiligenborn, Rheinhessen 1976 125
1572 Gustave Gessert Niersteiner Kranzberg, Rheinhessen 1976 125
1455 JB Becker Wallufer Walkenberg, Rheingau 1971 175
1566 JB Becker Wallufer Walkenberg, Rheingau 1976 140
1454 JB Becker Eltviller Sonnenberg, Rheingau 1971 150
1460 Langwerth von Simmern Rauenthaler Baiken, Rheingau 1971 195
1655 Langwerth von Simmern Hattenheimer Mannberg, Mosel 1983 195
1577 Oberstleutnant Liebrecht Bodenheimer Burgweg, Rheinhessen 1976 125
1587 Rappenhof Alsheimer Fischerpfad, Rheinhessen 1976 125
1476 Reichsgraf von Kesselstatt Josephshofer, Mosel 1971 195
1466 Reichsgraf von Kesselstatt Kaseler Nies'chen, Mosel 1971 195
1582 Reichsgraf von Kesselstatt Kaseler Nies'chen, Mosel 1976 195
1011 Seebrich Niersteiner Hipping, Rheinhessen 1992 95
1463 Staatliche Weinbaudomane Ockfener Bockstein, Rheingau 1971 195
1574 Toni Jost Bacharacher Hahn, Mittelrhein 1976 175
1656 Von Schubert Maximin Grunhauser Abtsberg, Mosel 1983 195
1585 Von Plettenberg Kreuznacher Bruckes, Nahe 1976 150
1584 Von Plettenberg Winzenheimer Rosenheck, Nahe 1976 150
1468 Von Zweierlein Geisenheimer Mauerchen, Rheingau 1971 150
1467 Von Zweierlein Geisenheimer Klauserweg, Rheingau 1971 150

[David M. Bueker]

von Simmern was still great back in the early '70s.

Personally I would go for a nice bottle of auslese, as it will match the food better IMO, but if BA is what you seek then von Simmern could be very fine, and 're: the Grunhaus, 83 was indeed a very good year.

I have found most '76s to be concentrated botrytis juice with little or no Riesling-ness, so I am not a fan.

Thanks David. The Beerenausles is being considered for if we have guests joing us for one of the nights as to the best of my knowledge they have not had a BA much less one with some age.

The Auslese that I was looking at is the Reinhold Haart Piesporter Goldtropfchen 2002 $75

[David M. Bueker]

The Auslese that I was looking at is the Reinhold Haart Piesporter Goldtropfchen 2002 $75

Good choice!

I'm little help, but while I've not had the BA an 83 MaxGrun Abtsberg Auslese was fantastic a few years ago.
How big a party? Do they have a 375 list? Because for me a little BA goes a long way
Look forward to your report afterwards, no matter what you choose!

the 375 portion of the list is below. from my limited knowledge here the 750s looked like a better deal.


1571 Groenesteyn Kiedricher Wasseros, Rheingau 1976 125
1506 Heinrich Klohr Gimmeldinger Kapellenberg, Pfalz 1975 125
1876 Jakob Jung Erbacher Hohenrain, Rheingau 2003 75
1567 JB Becker Wallufer Berg Bildstock, Rheingau 1976 110
1502 Knyphausen Erbacher Michelmark, Rheingau 1975 150
1753 Kurt Darting Ungsteiner Bettelhaus Rieslaner, Pfalz 1996 95
1592 Muller-Catoir Haardter Mandelring Scheurebe, Pfalz 1976 150
1576 Nagler Rudesheimer Berg Rottland, Rheingau 1976 125
1877 Prinz Hallgartener Jungfer, Rheingau 2003 75
1583 Reichsgraf von Kesselstatt Wiltinger Braunefels, Mosel 1976 125
1730 Reichsrat von Buhl Ruppertsberger Reiterpfad Scheurebe, Pfalz 1994 125
1246 Reichsrat von Buhl Forster Ungeheuer, Pfalz 1998 125
1197 Robert Weil Kiedrich Grafenberg, Rheingau 2004 175
1214 Schloss Schonborn Hattenheimer Pfaffenberg, Rheingau 2003 175
1204 Schloss Johannisberg Rosa-Goldlack, Rheingau 2003 175
1260 Wegeler Geisenheimer Rothenberg, Rheingau 2004 85

I'd just ask Bank when I got there...or give him a call to hold a bottle, if there is a concern what you want won't be there..

What is LoS?

What is LoS?

Lotus of Siam.. an iconic food/wine restaurant in a dingy, scary strip mall in Vegas...

http://www.saipinchutima.com/#/HOME-01-00/

Thanks. I had assumed this was an auction or somesuch. The prices seem way too good for a restaurant list!

Thanks. I had assumed this was an auction or somesuch. The prices seem way too good for a restaurant list!

The food is amazing there.. and, yes, the prices are more than reasonable!!! If you get to Vegas, it is a must stop...

Thanks. I had assumed this was an auction or somesuch. The prices seem way too good for a restaurant list!

Funny thing is that when looking at the list, I think the multiplier has increased. Most are now at about 2X retail. My memory as flawed as it is seems to remember a time when that was closer to 1.5X.

[David M. Bueker]

Thanks. I had assumed this was an auction or somesuch. The prices seem way too good for a restaurant list!

Funny thing is that when looking at the list, I think the multiplier has increased. Most are now at about 2X retail. My memory as flawed as it is seems to remember a time when that was closer to 1.5X.

Well that 2002 Haart auslese you are eyeing cost $24/375ml at the estate in 2003, so I think you are still getting a great deal considering everything.

Thanks. I had assumed this was an auction or somesuch. The prices seem way too good for a restaurant list!

Funny thing is that when looking at the list, I think the multiplier has increased. Most are now at about 2X retail. My memory as flawed as it is seems to remember a time when that was closer to 1.5X.

Well that 2002 Haart auslese you are eyeing cost $24/375ml at the estate in 2003, so I think you are still getting a great deal considering everything.

What I found for pricing on the Haart is not really a good datapoint as its out of stock but K&L shows it at 28 marked down from 38. http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1005659. Really not worried about it as 2X is cheap compared to the strip and the food is great

Hi Brian -

I know next to nothing about Adolf Rheinart, aside from that they no longer exist. Anyway, I did have their 1971 Ockfener Bockstein Herrenberg Riesling Auslese (#20) two years ago, and it was still drinking very nicely. Based on that, I would imagine that the Ockfener Bockstein BA in the same year would be quite good.


Enjoy your dinner!