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Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Steve Edmunds wrote:that young whippersnapper is older than either you or me!
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Steve Edmunds wrote:that young whippersnapper is older than either you or me!
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Salil wrote:I think this is the first time I've read a cassoulet report that doesn't mention Hirtzberger's Singerriedel Riesling.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jenise wrote:Wonderful, like Christmas, these annual reports. Can't wait for the next installment.
But a comment: I really love the Isa. I had my first taste of it last month when I took a bottle to the Vancouver lunch last month and was disappointed that it didn't go over well. That group is usually more open-minded and able to embrace any obviously well-made wine rather than being compared to some standard that this wine has no interest in adhering to whatsoever, and found lacking, but with one exception (thank you, Dave Cooper) it seemed to fall flat on the group. Fine: I'll keep the rest of it to myself.
Hoke wrote:
I think the more narrow traditionalists would have a difficult time initially with wines like the Isa, Jenise. Simply because it's not within their expectations of what a "Sauvignon Blanc" is supposed to be.
I recall the onslaught of NZ Sauvingon Blancs when they first hit the scene, and in some areas they were such a surprise that they weren't well received---too audacious, too green/herbal.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Your input on this topic (or anyone else's for that matter) greatly appreciated.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Hoke wrote:
We, annoying wineophiles that we are, have a much broader range of expectations, and a much more tolerant acceptance of what might initially be outside our norms, couple with a quick adaptability to liking things that taste good even if we haven't experienced them before.
I know when I was ecstatic over the Tondonia, many wine drinkers would silently think I was loopy (and maybe even some people in the room were being quietly tolerant of the idiot who liked that oxidized wine.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Hoke wrote: sharper, tangier, zestier mouthful rather than insipidity incarnate
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jenise wrote:Hoke wrote:
We, annoying wineophiles that we are, have a much broader range of expectations, and a much more tolerant acceptance of what might initially be outside our norms, couple with a quick adaptability to liking things that taste good even if we haven't experienced them before.
I know when I was ecstatic over the Tondonia, many wine drinkers would silently think I was loopy (and maybe even some people in the room were being quietly tolerant of the idiot who liked that oxidized wine.
I know! I know! That's why this wine's failure to impress was mystifying, the group consisted of only us annoying wineophiles! At the very least, it should have started a rousing debate about classicism vs. outlierism, if you will. Especially when the wine that followed mine was the very wine you cite as another example, though not the same vintage, an LdH blanc, a wine this group loves and appreciates even if this particular bottle lacked the typical broad spectrum of assets for that wine. (I even commented on the American oak without once thinking of LdH.)
Even the one guy who liked it admitted to same reluctantly: 2010 Cowan Cellars Sauvignon Blanc Isa - USA, California, North Coast, Lake County; Yellow, not ompletely clear. Exotic stone fruit nose. Some sweetness or maybe it's richness. Some nice pineapple and peach flavours and a dry long finish. I wish I could say something bad about this wine but in the end I fall short. (91 pts.) Others scored it 86ish or struggled to find nice things to say.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jenise wrote:Hoke wrote: sharper, tangier, zestier mouthful rather than insipidity incarnate
I remember that it was precisely this that drew me in. Up til then, the typical American SB was either A or B, described as having either "melon" or "vegetal" qualities, lemon and green bean were often the runners up. If you were lucky, you had one that the terms 'herbacious' or 'cat pee', if you were of a certain mind, earned as well. The broader citrus basket--lime, lemon, tangerine, sometimes grapefruit, it was all in there, along with sometimes some washed rind cheese--that the Kiwi SB's offered was something stunningly different while still being recognizable as Sauvignon Blanc.
Salil wrote:I think this is the first time I've read a cassoulet report that doesn't mention Hirtzberger's Singerriedel Riesling.
Lou Kessler wrote:Salil wrote:I think this is the first time I've read a cassoulet report that doesn't mention Hirtzberger's Singerriedel Riesling.
I like to mix things up so I skipped having any Singerriedel. Anisman and Hoke Bogart it as a rule and the arguements ensue. I still have some bottles saved for next year including Hirtzberger, Knoll, Rudy Pichler, so we will not go wanting. Amen! Actually the group was very well mannered.![]()
Mark Lipton wrote:Lou Kessler wrote:Salil wrote:I think this is the first time I've read a cassoulet report that doesn't mention Hirtzberger's Singerriedel Riesling.
I like to mix things up so I skipped having any Singerriedel. Anisman and Hoke Bogart it as a rule and the arguements ensue. I still have some bottles saved for next year including Hirtzberger, Knoll, Rudy Pichler, so we will not go wanting. Amen! Actually the group was very well mannered.![]()
Lou,
Are all of those upcoming wines '01s, aka Cuvée SFJoe? Not that there was anything wrong with that '01 Knoll you opened up at Rahsaan's sendoff at Cafe Rouge?
Mark Lipton
Lou Kessler wrote:Mark, I'll have to wait until I get back in Napa March 1st to look up and verify the vintages. We'll be in the Palm Springs area until then.
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Florida Jim wrote:Hey guys, thanks for all the comments about the Isa.
Perhaps, we should just say "it's an acquired taste."
And I am pleased it caused the interest; in a world of much sameness, it isn't.
Best, Jim
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Florida Jim wrote:Hey guys, thanks for all the comments about the Isa.
Perhaps, we should just say "it's an acquired taste."
And I am pleased it caused the interest; in a world of much sameness, it isn't.
Best, Jim
Florida Jim
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Long term is anybody's guess. I will put some away each year and we'll see.
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