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WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Salil » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:08 am

Hosted my local tasting group at my place last night for a lineup of wines from the Loire Valley along with a (relatively mild) biryani. For the most part the wines showed very well, though I was quite surprised by how heavy and opulent the François Chidaine wines came across in the context of a blind tasting. And I'm becoming more convinced with every bottle I open that Baudry's Croix Boissée is one of the world's truly great red wines.

Starter
2010 Clos Roche Blanche Pineau d'Aunis Touraine Rosé
Quite a change from the last bottle I opened, showing the same fresh berried fruit but with an unusual brothy savouriness I've never come across before in a rosé. Still a touch soft by CRB standards though.

Flight 1: Montlouis
2009 Frantz Saumon Montlouis-sur-Loire Clos de Chênes
Pure, fresh white fruited and a touch of Chenin wooliness on a lightweight frame with bright acids and moderate sweetness keeping it very refreshing, though not showing as much complexity or depth as the last bottle I enjoyed.

2008 François Chidaine Montlouis-sur-Loire Les Tuffeaux
Comes across as sweeter and more opulent than the Saumon, conveying ripe Chenin fruit and gentle floral and honeyed accents with a sense of richness and polish. There's a lovely glossy texture here and impressive length, I imagine this is one that'll be really impressive with time.

Flight 2: Vouvray
2008 François Pinon Vouvray Cuvée Tradition
Much more complex and layered than it was a couple of years ago; a core of fresh apples and citrus fruits accented by delicate floral, honeyed and more savoury wooly elements. Still has the same sense of lightness and delicate touch, particularly in contrast with the Chidaines; lovely. I really should cellar more of the Pinon wines.

2008 François Chidaine Vouvray Le Bouchet
Like the Montlouis Tuffeaux, this comes across quite rich and opulent in contrast to the other Chenin Blancs. Ripe apples and peaches seasoned with honey, flowers and waxy elements with a round, polished mouthfeel. It's not showing as much acidity now as I recollect, and doesn't have the same lightness or delicate touch as the Pinon, but it's still very well balanced and all too easy to drink.

Flight 3: Older Bourgueil and Bordeaux
1996 Domaine de la Chevalerie Bourgueil Breteche
A little austere and tart initially, but really opens with air to show fresh red fruits and cassis flavours seasoned with fresh herbs, cedar and a dusty earthiness. This is quite light on its feet with some fine grained tannins and a bright acid spine that make it really easy to drink. Revisited at the end of the night, and it had really opened aromatically with the fruit deepening and a surprising stony mineral element emerging. I'll give my other bottle a little more time in the cellar.

1983 Château Brane-Cantenac
Decanted this into a Loire/Burg bottle an hour ahead of the tasting and tossed it in for contrast; most of the group pegged it as older Bordeaux straight away. My last bottle and as it turns out, the best showing I've had from this wine. Layers of mature leather, tobacco, spicy and floral elements and red fruits combining together seamlessly in a polished, medium weight package. The tannins are fully resolved and it's drinking superbly right now.

Flight 4: Chinon
2009 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux
Another great bottle. A core of deep red and dark fruited flavours accented by all sorts of herbal, forestal and savoury earthy notes. Quite complex and nuanced now, but given the stuffing and balance I imagine this will turn into something incredible with time.

2006 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissée
Double decanted a few hours before serving. It's still very youthful but already showing incredible complexity and finesse right now, conveying layers of pure dark fruit, floral and green forestal elements and more savoury minerally and earthy notes in a seamless, superbly balanced whole. Truly outstanding wine that just reaffirms for me that Croix Boissée is one of the great red wines, and I can't wait to see what my other bottles turn into with age.

Flight 5: Dessert
1985 Huët Vouvray Moelleux Le Mont
Ripe quince and apple fruit seasoned with honey, wooly funk and a lingering hint of sulfur despite a lengthy decant. There's surprisingly moderate sweetness here, closer to what I'd expect from a demi-sec, and a strange bitter element on the finish. It still feels incredibly youthful and undeveloped though, and I reckon this just needs a lot more time.

Late night extra cellar pull
1991 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Crozes-Hermitage Domaine de Thalabert
Not quite on the level of a staggering '90 Thalabert I had a few months ago, but this is damn good all the same. Layers of red and dark fruits that feel surprisingly youthful for a 20 year old Crozes, seasoned with leathery funk, pepper and smoky elements. Drinking very well now with the tannins mostly resolved and great balance, and ridiculous value at about $25.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Rahsaan » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:14 pm

Sounds like a great tasting.

Salil wrote:though I was quite surprised by how heavy and opulent the François Chidaine wines came across in the context of a blind tasting..


I like Chidaine a lot, but never think of him as being a master of 'light touch' or 'delicate' wines, especially the cuvees you served. Les Choisilles and Clos du Breuil are perhaps 'lighter' than the ones in your tasting, but even those cuvees stand out for being zesty, tingly, tangy and alive, rather than gentle and delicate (IMHO).
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by James Roscoe » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:37 pm

I expect to be tasting NV Chateau de l'AULEE Crement Brut and 2009 Domaine Guilloterie Saumur Champigny, at a distributor's tasting of French wines tomorrow. I always enjoy Loire Valley wines, but cannot afford anything for long aging. We will see how the 2009 CF is doing. It evidently has 10% CS.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Rahsaan » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:41 pm

James Roscoe wrote:I always enjoy Loire Valley wines, but cannot afford anything for long aging..


You mean you don't have access to longterm storage?

Ollivier's Clos des Briords and CRB's Cot are prime sub $15 wines for long-term aging (to name two that leap to my mind, but there are many other inexpensive wines suited for aging).
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by ChaimShraga » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:03 pm

I'm going to open my bottle of the Baudry Grezaux 09 soon with friends. It's likely the first time it's ever been tasted in Israel, so it will be a historical event.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by David M. Bueker » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:07 pm

Thanks for the tasting Salil (not to mention the food!).

That '83 Brane-Cantenac was outstanding, and a revelation with the Brillat-Savarin.

I preferred the non-Chidaine Chenins, finding the Chidaine versions too rich with limited life/liveliness.

The Croix Boissee was outstanding, and the Grezeaux excellent as well.

That was the third time I've had an '85 Huet, and so far none have made my socks roll up and down. I think the Chidaine wines were sweeter.

Thanks for the Jaboulet - those were the days.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Tim York » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:20 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
That was the third time I've had an '85 Huet, and so far none have made my socks roll up and down. I think the Chidaine wines were sweeter.



I haven't yet tried my bottles but the seller did make the point of warning that they are not very sweet and can be treated gastronomically like a demi-sec.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by James Roscoe » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
James Roscoe wrote:I always enjoy Loire Valley wines, but cannot afford anything for long aging..


You mean you don't have access to longterm storage?

Ollivier's Clos des Briords and CRB's Cot are prime sub $15 wines for long-term aging (to name two that leap to my mind, but there are many other inexpensive wines suited for aging).

A cellar that stays around 65 F all year around seems like decent long-term storage to me. The real problems are cash and my appetite.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Andrew Bair » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:29 pm

Hi Salil -

Thank you for the great writeup. Sounds like a really fun tasting!
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:37 pm

Yeah, all true Loire-heads are very envious!
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by James Roscoe » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:50 pm

James Roscoe wrote:I expect to be tasting NV Chateau de l'AULEE Crement Brut and 2009 Domaine Guilloterie Saumur Champigny, at a distributor's tasting of French wines tomorrow. I always enjoy Loire Valley wines, but cannot afford anything for long aging. We will see how the 2009 CF is doing. It evidently has 10% CS.

Went to a tasting this afternoon and these two Loire's were wonderful. I was really taken with the Crement! Lots of stuff going on there for $18! We brought a bottle home for further education.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Dale Williams » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:47 pm

nice notes. Agree with Rahsaan re Chidaine.
'83 Brane-Cantenac was I think my favorite at a 17 vintage vertical going back to 1928. Like most Margaux AC, '83 was better than '82.
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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Mark Lipton » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:18 am

Salil wrote:Flight 1: Montlouis
2009 Frantz Saumon Montlouis-sur-Loire Clos de Chênes
Pure, fresh white fruited and a touch of Chenin wooliness on a lightweight frame with bright acids and moderate sweetness keeping it very refreshing, though not showing as much complexity or depth as the last bottle I enjoyed.

2008 François Chidaine Montlouis-sur-Loire Les Tuffeaux
Comes across as sweeter and more opulent than the Saumon, conveying ripe Chenin fruit and gentle floral and honeyed accents with a sense of richness and polish. There's a lovely glossy texture here and impressive length, I imagine this is one that'll be really impressive with time.

Flight 2: Vouvray
2008 François Pinon Vouvray Cuvée Tradition
Much more complex and layered than it was a couple of years ago; a core of fresh apples and citrus fruits accented by delicate floral, honeyed and more savoury wooly elements. Still has the same sense of lightness and delicate touch, particularly in contrast with the Chidaines; lovely. I really should cellar more of the Pinon wines.

2008 François Chidaine Vouvray Le Bouchet
Like the Montlouis Tuffeaux, this comes across quite rich and opulent in contrast to the other Chenin Blancs. Ripe apples and peaches seasoned with honey, flowers and waxy elements with a round, polished mouthfeel. It's not showing as much acidity now as I recollect, and doesn't have the same lightness or delicate touch as the Pinon, but it's still very well balanced and all too easy to drink.


Thanks much for those notes, Salil. I really feel that Chidaine hit it out of the park in '08, but Pinon's Tradition also rocked in '08 (Jean's reaction to it: buy a case! a very rare response) so I'll have to do a head-to-head comparison, too. I won't talk about those '09 Baudrys as I haven't even broached the Estate yet, let alone the Les Granges, etc. I'm still unsure whether I prefer the Croix Boissée over the Grezeaux, but am happy to have either set in front of me so what the heck!

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Re: WTN: Blind (mostly) Loire tasting

by Matt Richman » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:36 am

Thanks for the great notes. Many of these wines are wonderful bargains in today's marketplace, but Pinon in particular seems absurdly underpriced for the quality.

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