Anders Källberg
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am
Stockholm, Sweden
Jenise
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43589
Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Anders Källberg wrote:Hey Deborah, this is not the note on the seductive properties of Pinot Noir we(I) have been wating for! Keeping us on the grill (as we say in Swedish)?
Cheers, Anders
Jenise wrote:Deborah, regarding your differences with Otto, can I speak as an objective third party? Otto compares this Musar with other Musars which are a lighter style of big red wine; you compare this red wine with all other red wines. You are used to drinking, I believe, younger and fruit-forward style red wines. You are used to drinking, I believe, younger and fruit-forward style red wines. Therefore, you're both right, it's just that each of you come from very opposing perspectives.
That aside, I can say this: now you know why so many of us have hundreds of bottles laying around. Because we want our wines to talk to our souls and generally only aging brings that capacity to light. Ever try to talk to a baby? Goo goo....
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
43589
Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Jenise wrote:...Up until then, I'd been okay drinking the Lindemans Bin-something Shiraz that was my friend's house red. Didn't love it, but I could drink it. Young, fruity shirazes were commonplace enough in my life at that time. But after a week of drinking nothing but dry Spanish red wines--they were bright and complex and always finished dry--I could not stomach the wines that had been acceptable just a week before. Could. Not. Drink. A. Drop. Neither could I stomach the zinfandels I'd brought over, good ones. They were all too sweet, too thick. The change was permanent and I've never been able to go back, and that's not wine snobbery any more than your realizing your own palate has changed. It's just what happens.
Jenise wrote:...A friend of mine once described her love of Bordeaux by saying "It's not about the fruit. It's about everything else." Well, welcome to Everything Else.
James Dietz
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
Deborah Ackerman wrote:*I will note here that Otto disagrees with me on this descriptor and believes this particular vintage to be quite robust. Perhaps it was my menu that "softened" the effects of this Musar, but I truly did not think of it as a full-bodied wine in the sense of weight or alcohol content; it rather struck my palate as light and fresh, and immensely drinkable. The alcohol content of 13.5% also did not seem to overpower this vintage as many other wines that I've had in recent memory. It was a wine that definitely stayed with you, so in that sense, Otto is correct. If there be any error in judgement concerning this characteristic, no doubt it is mine.
Otto Nieminen wrote:Deborah Ackerman wrote:*I will note here that Otto disagrees with me on this descriptor and believes this particular vintage to be quite robust. Perhaps it was my menu that "softened" the effects of this Musar, but I truly did not think of it as a full-bodied wine in the sense of weight or alcohol content; it rather struck my palate as light and fresh, and immensely drinkable. The alcohol content of 13.5% also did not seem to overpower this vintage as many other wines that I've had in recent memory. It was a wine that definitely stayed with you, so in that sense, Otto is correct. If there be any error in judgement concerning this characteristic, no doubt it is mine.
Fresh I'll buy, but not light-bodied! But as Jenise said, this is probably just based on our personal reference points. I think this, like the '94, is very much a hot-vintage Musar with all its fruit and warmth. It is a great wine in that style, but frankly like in almost all wines, I tend to prefer the cooler vintages as to my taste they are better balanced. If you like this, you like the Musar style. Now try the '99 or '95 or '91 or '88! This was a good vintage, but those four are divine! Thanks for the note. I hope you write more notes!
-O-
p.s. What's with that error in judgement thing? You've got your palate, I've got mine. There's no right and wrong.
James Roscoe
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
D.C. Metro Area - Maryland
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
2558
Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
Ian Sutton wrote:Deborah
Really good tasting notes, thanks for them... and I think there's even a little bit of Otto's style in the tasting notes as well which is no bad thing!
regards
Ian
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