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WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Bill Spohn » Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:13 pm

Notes from a dinner at home.

1994 Bourillon d’Orleans Vouvray Sec Vielles Vignes – a bottle was lurking in my cellar and I thought it might provide a little forensic interest as an aperitif. Most of the honey and mandarin orange of youth were gone, and the light amber wine had taken on a decent little butterscotch note, was, as always, dead dry, and finishes with some citrus, more lemon than orange in the finish.

With Shiitake hazelnut Paté (a great dish for any vegetarians, with a nice earthy flavour from the mushrooms and nuts uplifted with a bit of sherry:

Ruinart ‘R’ Brut NV– this was a remnant of the several cases of bubbly I picked up back in the early 2000’s, when our liquor board brought in far more than they were able to sell and thereafter sold it all off at a reduced price. As I rather like the flavour interest maturity often brings even with NV Champagne, I was a willing customer. This one had some colour, a nice degree of complexity on the nose, with a sort of buttered bread dough thing happening, and citrus in the finish. Decent.

With Grand Marnier (liver) Paté – simple preparation with thyme and nutmeg, blended with a fair bit of heavy cream to make a mousse-like consistency that nicely highlights but doesn’t over state the orange flavours and slight sweetness from the Grand Marnier:

Montaudon Classe ‘M’ (also labelled with ‘Celebration 2000’) NV – I had happened across the right order for these, as this wine outshone the previous one. It had some colour, great fizz, showed significantly more complexity in the nose, and slightly higher clean acidity, and a marvellous freshness for a non vintage wine that was probably made 15 years ago. It also went better with the paté than the previous wine would have.

After two Champagne mini-courses, we went to a ballotine of chicken and pistachios that carried a definite but not overdone (too easily done) tarragon flavouring:

1993 Dom. Jean et JL Trapet Gevrey Chambertin – I had put up both of these wines blind for the group – some modest Burgs that I thought could use drinking up. This was fairly dark colour, had a nice clean pure pinot nose, slightly high acidity, but all in all pretty decent. In fact people split over which wine they preferred.

1993 Dom. du Clos Frantin (Bichot) Vosne Romanée – another little village wine, but lighter in colour, with a faint hint of dill in an otherwise typical Burgundian nose, made more complex by hints of spice there and also on palate, elegant. I preferred this one.

With hoisin marinated butterflied leg of lamb, grilled, with slow roasted cherry tomatoes and a scalloped leek and potato dish that incorporated significant white cheddar:

2001 Karl Lawrence Napa Cabernet – lots of cocoa in the nose, a sweet entry and middle weight wine with good stuffing and some nice sweetness on palate, but not overly complex. easy to peg as an American wine, but several of us thought it might have been a syrah as it wasn’t showing much varietal typicity in the nose despite the cocoa.

2004 Dom. Charvin Chateauneuf du Pape – once again, no problem pegging this as a southern Rhone, and it took me a couple of shots to get the vintage (thought it might have been 2001). Garrigue/herbal nose with notable amounts of black olive, slightly closed at first, but opening nicely with time, a nice whiff of blackberry fruit underneath, a softly tannic entry and good length with a spicy finish. Very good.

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1983 Guntrum Oppenheimer Sacktrager Gewurztraminer Auslese – I had give each couple the opportunity to contribute one bottle to be served blind, after advising them what the food would be. To my surprise (I had thoughts of hefting cases in the cellar to find a nice Port) the person who chose this course opted for a white. I didn’t want to pull almost exactly the same wine, so went for an older wine of the same varietal even though I knew it wouldn’t show as a Gewurz. It was slightly musty at first and had lemon but no petrol, so they weren’t quite sure what it was or where it was from. Only medium sweet with good acidity, it was drying out a bit and would no doubt have been better a few years ago.

2000 Albert Mann Gewurztraminer Altenbourg Vendage Tardives – a 500 ml. bottle, this wine showed a lot of sweetness in the nose, with lemon and quite a bit of spice, viscous feel, very nice wine.
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Jenise » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:09 pm

[quote="Bill Spohn"]Notes from a dinner at home.

1994 Bourillon d’Orleans Vouvray Sec Vielles Vignes – I liked this a lot; a real fascinator. Probably the oldest dry chenin I've ever had and it had gone to a place I couldn't have expected. Very dry, as you, and my first taste was salt followed by coconut. After ruling out riesling, semillon and chenin blanc were my next thoughts, in that order. The butterscotch element developed in the glass and was soon joined by the lemon oil you mention.

Ruinart ‘R’ Brut NV– Burnished gold in color, nose of brioche and baked red apple with caramel taffy tones on the palate. I alone preferred this to the next bubbly, although I recognize that technically speaking the other was the better wine. I just love this style of old champagne, that's all.

Montaudon Classe ‘M’ Green apple here vs. the other's red, with citrus and allspice. Higher acid, more persistent bubble, and more freshness than the first. Interesting complexity considering that you report that the wine, when young, was apparently just like the other young Montaudons I've had. Would never have guessed that those had this kind of future in front of them. Bless you for aging these NV's!

1993 Dom. Jean et JL Trapet Gevrey Chambertin – Darker in the glass as well as heavier and earthier, but what it had in weight it lacked in complexity and finesse. Good though, considering it's age.

1993 Dom. du Clos Frantin (Bichot) Vosne Romanée – A clear mauvy-light red color. Very delicate with tea, red currants and spice--I smelled and tasted this before the first one, and my thoughts went to old barbaresco before the first wine convinced me they were most likely both pinots, which Coop of course guessed. My favorite of the two as well.

2001 Karl Lawrence Napa Cabernet – I'm torn on your description. Yeah, I knew what it was because I brought it, but I gave it more points for complexity than you did. At least, within the context of straight Napa cabernets. Blackberry, tobacco, licorice and cocoa notes also suggested cabernet to me. Is it because it was my wine that I didn't think it showed any syrah character, or is it because you (well, and David too) were possibly expecting syrah that you were trying to make that shoe fit? We'll never know. :)

2004 Dom. Charvin Chateauneuf du Pape – Agree that it was no trouble pegging this one. In fact, overall I agree with your assessment, though I'd replace 'blackberry' with 'raspberry' and emphasize the herbal component. Because of that, where I thought David's wine was a better match for the plate, I though the KL was the best match with the lamb/hoisin combo. Would never have recognized this 04 based on my experience with the 05, btw.

1983 Guntrum Oppenheimer Sacktrager Gewurztraminer Auslese – This was quite tasty, but I honestly wouldn't have ever guessed it to be either gewurz or an auslese. Too bad it's your last one, would be a great bottle to open with your next curry take-out.

2000 Albert Mann Gewurztraminer Altenbourg Vendage Tardives – What you said, with a bit of clove and fig newton thrown in. Outstanding.
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Andrew Bair » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:58 pm

Hi Bill and Jenise - Thank you both for your notes. I've never been overly impressed by Montaudon, but perhaps their Champagnes just needed more time.

Very interesting notes on the Guntrum Gewurz Auslese as well.
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Bill Spohn » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:18 pm

Surprisingly the old 83 Auslese seems to have rounded out and added a bit of midpalate weight since last night! Wouldn't have expected that.

On the Lawrence wine, it was perhaps in comparison with the Rhone that it seemed a bit simpler - I was getting about two things in the nose as opposed to about 5 on the Rhone, and on palate, the Cab seemed not very cab-like, though pleasant.

That's pretty young for me to be drinking a Cal-Cab; I value maturity and complexity and it was maybe just too soon for the Karl Lawrence?
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Jenise » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:59 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:That's pretty young for me to be drinking a Cal-Cab; I value maturity and complexity and it was maybe just too soon for the Karl Lawrence?


You would have it get as old and rotten as that 85 Chalone, perhaps? :wink:
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Bill Spohn » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:28 pm

Jenise wrote:
Bill Spohn wrote:That's pretty young for me to be drinking a Cal-Cab; I value maturity and complexity and it was maybe just too soon for the Karl Lawrence?


You would have it get as old and rotten as that 85 Chalone, perhaps? :wink:


That was a Pinot, not a cab - totally different consideration in Californian wines, bar the very odd exceptionally long lived Pinot. There are tons of 70s and 80s Californian wines that are holding well - cabs, PS, Zin....
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Jenise » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:05 am

Bill Spohn wrote: There are tons of 70s and 80s Californian wines that are holding well - cabs, PS, Zin....


As I'm well aware! I just didn't think that Chalone was one of them. :)
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Karl Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Bill Spohn » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:12 am

I don't keep any old Cal-Pinots. Too unreliable.
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Re: WTN: Bubbly, Burgs, Karl Lawrence, Charvin, Gewurz

by Jenise » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:58 pm

Bill Spohn wrote:I don't keep any old Cal-Pinots. Too unreliable.


And few producers intend you to; Swan, Williams Selyem and Arcadian are about the only ones I'd trust routinely past ten years.
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