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Amador again...

by Shaji M » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:17 pm

It has been a while since I have been to Amador. So, on September 10-11, we might make a quick road trip to Amador/El Dorado area. We are hoping to visit and taste at:
Cedarville (in Fairplay). This is a no brainer as I have yet to have anything form Jonathan and Susan that did not wow me!
Skinner (in Fairplay)- never had anything from this place, but I am curious about the positive press.
Terre Rouge/Easton - never disappointed, but potentially might skip to try a newer place
Vino Noceto- have liked their OGP Zins and Sangioveses in the past, but not sure about how their recent reputation has been
Dillian-never tried anything from Dillian but heard good things
Cooper- same as above, never tried anything from Cooper but heard good things
Sobon Estate-an old favorite and a great QPR
Borjon - a newer winery in Amador

Good plan?

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Re: Amador again...

by James Roscoe » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:44 pm

Looks excellent to me. I can't wait to hear about it!!!
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Might Try...Karmere

by TomHill » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:57 am

Shaji,
I met the winemaker, DawnMartella, at NAP#2 last week of Karmere and liked her Nebb quite a lot. Her other wines
look interesting. You might want to take a look-see and report back. Maybe your big chance to "follow them from the very start"!! :-)
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Re: Amador again...

by Shaji M » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:43 pm

James,
This is to be a quick visit and hopefully I can try most of these places.

Tom,
Thanks for the recommendation. It was interestingly a recent Shenandoah Barbera, that reminded us that we had not been to this area for while albeit it is only a 3 hour drive. Barbera is on our mind.

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Re: Might Try...Karmere

by James Roscoe » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:01 pm

TomHill wrote:Shaji,
I met the winemaker, DawnMartella, at NAP#2 last week of Karmere and liked her Nebb quite a lot. Her other wines
look interesting. You might want to take a look-see and report back. Maybe your big chance to "follow them from the very start"!! :-)
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Tom,
What is NAP#2? :shock:
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That too many people have died?
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Re: Amador again...

by Bob Henrick » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:38 pm

Could that be the Napa/Sonoma half marathon?
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Re: Amador again...

by James Roscoe » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:25 am

Thanks bob. I assumed that it was a napping marathon. :wink:
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Re: Amador again...

by Mike Filigenzi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:41 am

Will look forward to reading what you think of those places. We've been to
Noceto recently and thought the wines were as good or better than ever. I liked the current OGP Zin better than previous versions. We usually stop at Cooper when we're up there as the people are nice and their roussanne is one I like.
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Well....

by TomHill » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:22 am

James Roscoe wrote:
TomHill wrote:Shaji,
I met the winemaker, DawnMartella, at NAP#2 last week of Karmere and liked her Nebb quite a lot. Her other wines
look interesting. You might want to take a look-see and report back. Maybe your big chance to "follow them from the very start"!! :-)
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Tom,
What is NAP#2? :shock:


NAP#2= Nebbiolo Advocates & Producers second get-together. My notes should be up this weekend. And variaint of ZAP.
It a (very/very) loose coalition of Calif (primarily, now) winemakers who make Nebbiolo and we get together every so often
to try Nebbs and talk about them. I'm sort of the instigator.
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Amador revisited..day 1

by Shaji M » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:49 am

It was a beautiful drive from Reno to Amador. We arrived at Plymouth and pulled up into Terre Rouge while a club appreciation lunch was in session. The grounds were crowded but the tasting room wasn't too packed. Unfortunately they only had a few bottles opened for tasting inside. We started out with a 2007 Viognier. It had all the peach and apricot and citrus and stone going, but the fruit seemed a tad muted. The 2006 Easton Barbera (from the Cooper vineyards) was also a good example where the varietal showed itself but very heavily veiled. The 2008 Tete a tete is a GSM blend which for it's price was actually a pretty good wine. They also have another higher priced GSM blend L'Autre which wasn't open. I bought a bottle to compare l'autre day. The 2006 Sierra Foothills Syrah was also another good wine, a much better example of what Terre Rouge can do. Unfortunately they had little open today and interestingly older vintages. Terre Rouge/Easton tend to release their wine late, explained the much harried pourer.

Down the road was Vino Noceto. The wines here were very solid. They had the 2008 Sangiovese which was very fresh cherries/cocoa/nutmeg going. Great acidity. The 2009 Sangiovese was recently bottled and still young. Grapey but showing the same undertones as the 2008 vintage. Very nice. The 2008 OGP Zinfandel was very delicious. I agree with Mike that it shows better than previous vintages. Earlier this year, I opened a 2003 OGP Zin and it was on song. These wines last well. There was a single vineyard Sangiovese, the 2008 Dos Oakies (named after the 2 oaks which once stood in front of the tasting room; alas, the bigger one was victim of a recent storm) which was stunning. Reminded me of some older Seghesio Sangiovese, only more exuberant. Vino Noceto makes a Frivolo (the 2010 was poured) which is spritzy Moscato. Reminded me of drinking lime soda. Will be nice on a hot day.

As we drove up Shenandoah (Yes, Virginia, there is one outside of Virginia) Road, Borjon comes up immediately on the right. We decided to try only the reds. The 2008 Barbera had apparently won the Barbera Festival here in June. We started with the 2007 Xinfandel. It was Zinfandel al right, but extremely hot. The alcohol was overpowering. I joked that it should be rechristened as Ginfandel. the 2008 Barbera was a decent Barbera but again with the alcohol. The Xinfandel was north of 16% and the Barbera was kissing 15%. The 2008 Los Portales (a blend of Zin, Primitivo, Barbera and Sangiovese) was served next. It was with trepidation that I approached it ( twice burnt, thrice shy) but it actually was a really decent wine for the price. Not too hot and good flavah and structcha. Not bad. They had a Primitivo and Sangiovese but it was all tasting similar to the Xinfandel and the Barbera. If served blind, I would have had some trouble distinguishing them :( The last wine was called 2009 Differente ( a 50/50 blend of Zin and Barbera). True to it's name, this was totally different. It had personality, deliciousness, blueberry/chocolate going on, a long finish etc. etc. I wish this were the only wine I had tried here (OK, maybe the Portales as well). It was also $45 a bottle and they had made less than 100 cases. Borjon would do well if they were a little bit more "Differente"!

After some time, we went to Cooper which sits on Shenandoah School Rd. We passed Karmere, but were still recovering from the alcoholic haze from Borjon and drove on (maybe next time Tom). Cooper wines were impressive. The 2009 Rousanne was sharp, flinty, citrusy, tropical. The 2009 Barbera Riserva had a great mouthfeel, chocolate/blackberries/pepper/mace/nutmeg. Apparently the 2009 Barbera (not the Riserva) was sold out and according to the server was a tad better wine. Has anyone here tried it? Most wineries here source their Barbera from Cooper (Easton, Borjon, Wilderotter to name a few). Interesting how they all taste different, granted that most were from different vintages. The Primitivo and Sangiovese here tasted true to varietal and not like each other. Both were good wines. The 2008 Mourvedre was meaty/mushroomy/earthy. The wines at Cooper ranged from good to excellent across the board!

The last stop for Saturday was Wilderotter. The Viognier was good being more on the floral side than the stone fruit side of the fence. The 2008 Mourvedre was the first red. I was expecting a dark crimson wine in the glass and what was poured looked like a middle aged Pinot Noir. I had to check the bottle to see if the right wine was poured. It was. And it was really good. It felt light on the tongue, lightly spicy, flavorful and a nice finish. The 2008 Tempranillo was an excellent wine as well- lots of berries/meat/smoke/tobacco. The 2007 Petite Sirah was deep and purple and I was expecting a tannic monster. But for how young the wine was, it was very approachable. It was peppery/blueberry/chocolate.

The next day we went to Sobon Estate, Shenandoah and Cedarville. Notes to follow.
By the way, the Amador Vintage Market is an excellent place to stock up on picnic food before heading out to taste.
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by Jenise » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:48 pm

Glad to hear that Vino Noceto is still on their game; their wines and their owners have really impressed me in the past.
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Re: Amador again...

by Mike Filigenzi » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:52 pm

Nice notes! I'll have to try the Dos Oakies again if I get a chance. I've not been a fan in the past but maybe this version would be more to my taste.

Pretty much agree with you on Borjon and Cooper. Was not greatly impressed with the former (I like the "Ginfandel" comment!) and have always really liked the latter.

Amador Vintage Market is our go-to stop for picnic supplies. They have an amazing selection of the local wines there as well. Another good lunch option (on Saturdays, anyway) is Taste. Have you been there?
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Re: Amador again...

by Shaji M » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:27 pm

Jenise,
Vino Noceto was very good across the board. Susie Galette (I hope I spelled that right) who I believe is the owner was on hand and it was interesting talking with her about Amador and her wines.

Mike,
Plan A was to lunch at Taste. But, we had to fall back to Plan B as my son had a soccer game on Saturday morning and we didn't head for the mountains until afterwards. I noticed the excellent selection of local wines at Amador Vintage Market. There used to be a pizza place on Main street Plymouth (many many years ago) called Incahoots. Lunch options in Plymouth are limited. We stayed the night in Sutter City. It was our first time there. It is a neat little town. Reminded us of Virginia City, NV only greener!

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Re: Amador again...

by Shaji M » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:59 pm

The second day we went to Shenandoah and Sobon Estate. The former is on Steiner Rd. and latter on the Shenandoah school road. They are both the same enterprise, with Sobon focusindg mostly on Rhone varietals and Shenandoah showing Zins, Barberas etc. We liked almost all they poured. The standouts were the 2008 Zins ( Cougar Hill, Rockytop and Fiddletown), the 2009 ReZerve Tannat from Sobon. At Shenandoah, the 2009 Zingiovese (Zin and Sangiovese) was a surprisingly delicious blend until I tried the 2009 Vintner's Select Zin, which was really impressive. The 2008 ReZerve Paul's Vineyard Zin, 2008 ReZerve Barbera and the ReZerve Tempranillo were all wines that made their way back to Reno with us. Most wines here run in the $teens and no wine is more than $24; both Shenandoah and Sobon make excellent QPRs. Also, Shenandoah has a nice little picnic spot with expansive view of the valley. We made a note that in the future, we will try to time our lunch to be here!
From Plymouth, we made our way home. We had perfect weather on our weekend escape, but there was a hint of clouds and approacing wet weather. On the way, we dropped by Cedarville in Fairplay. It was the perfect way to cap off a beautiful weekend. The 2009 Viognier was showing that the roots of the vines are getting well entrenched into the granite. Peachy, citrusy, wet stones- this is a beautiful wine. Future vintages also look promising. The 2009 Grenache has strawberry, nutmeg going on. Silky mouthfeel. Great finish. The 2009 Zinfandel is a really silky wine with black fruits. The 2008 Cabernet Sauvignon was elegant, cedar/chocolate/vanilla/mushrooms. Very delicious. Lot of stuffing in this wine to carry it for several more years. The 2008 Petite Sirah was very easy drinking for it's age. Not a ton of tannin, this wine can be enjoyed now. Might be interesting in a few years as well.
We left Fairplay and the rainstorm which was now over the Sierras followed us all the way through Lake Tahoe upto Reno.

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