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Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
1076
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Oliver McCrum wrote:A measured and thoughtful review, Tom. What's gotten into you?
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
TomHill wrote:She seems to believe that to make a natural wine, then you also must grow the grapes, at the very minimum, organic, but, preferably BioDynamic or Fukuoka.
Steve Slatcher wrote:TomHill wrote:She seems to believe that to make a natural wine, then you also must grow the grapes, at the very minimum, organic, but, preferably BioDynamic or Fukuoka.
OK, I'll bite. What's Fukuoka?
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:Tom (and all), as long as the topic is up... I have been trying to remember the Italian phrase that describes the kind of mixed agriculture that the contadini used to do, many years ago. They did not have the concept of a vineyard or an orchard, just everything grew all mixed up, wherever it happened to be. I think some ag analysts like this "style" for wine grapes because the vines compete for nutrients rather than getting special handling in their mono-species yard. Maybe the phrase was something-or-other promiscura?
Thanks for any help.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:Thanks, Hoke. I tried to Google that phrase but got nothing... that doesn't seem right to me. Somebody somewhere must have discussed this in writing before (else, where did I hear it from?).
Victorwine wrote:“Mixed blend” in Italian “campo miscela”. I think the concept of a Fukuoka vineyard is slightly different, not only do you have different grape varieties interplanted but other crops (potatoes, garlic, herbs, carrots, etc) as well. In a Fukuoka vineyard are the vines trellised?
Salute
James Roscoe
Chat Prince
11069
Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
D.C. Metro Area - Maryland
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
James Roscoe wrote:Is it just me or is she one of those fundamentalist types who likes to find the facts to fit her arguments? I find that kind of writing very distracting (unless I agree with the writer, but that is my problem).
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Victorwine wrote:Thanks Tom and Hoke.
So the vines are not totally neglected and left on their own. The closest thing we got to a “true Fukuoka” vineyard is an abandon vineyard on Sound Ave (Route 48) in Cutchogue. (Unfortunately the owners I believe are going through an “ugly” long drawn divorce). The property is all fenced off and for several years now these vines were definitely “neglected”. Majority off the vines are dead, some (from what I could see) look like there just hanging on, bearing very little fruit.
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Hoke wrote:Victorwine wrote:Thanks Tom and Hoke.
So the vines are not totally neglected and left on their own. The closest thing we got to a “true Fukuoka” vineyard is an abandon vineyard on Sound Ave (Route 48) in Cutchogue. (Unfortunately the owners I believe are going through an “ugly” long drawn divorce). The property is all fenced off and for several years now these vines were definitely “neglected”. Majority off the vines are dead, some (from what I could see) look like there just hanging on, bearing very little fruit.
Salute
But....but....but....it's a return to NATURE!!!!
That may be the answer, Victor: let all the vines return to their natural wild state. We get what we get when we get it, and put the grapes into a pot (we'll call that the absolutely minimal intervention technique), let them naturally ferment, and then we can stand around and drink out of the pot, wiping the scum and fungus off the top as needed, before the wine turns entirely into vinegar. Naked wine! Natural Wine! Sans Souffre! All Fukuokued Up Wine!!!
Heck, I think I'll start up an LLC right now. Anyone wanta get in on this, I can send you a P.O. Box for your investment. I'm tellin' ya, this could be big. We'll have to be strident and evangelical about it though, to make sure we get undue attention.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Steve Slatcher wrote:Some years ago "minimal pruning", which sounds related in practice to Fukuoka if not in philosophy, was being touted by some as a promising approach, but you seem to hear little about it now. Was it discredited?
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
12046
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
TomHill wrote:In the back of her book, Alice provides a list of wines she likes and acknowledges it is an eccentric and personal list:
I think it's rather surprising that in all of Germany, she hasn't found a single wine she likes.
Steve Slatcher wrote:Some years ago "minimal pruning", which sounds related in practice to Fukuoka if not in philosophy, was being touted by some as a promising approach, but you seem to hear little about it now. Was it discredited?
Dale Williams wrote:TomHill wrote:In the back of her book, Alice provides a list of wines she likes and acknowledges it is an eccentric and personal list:
Once she acknowledges it's an eccentric and personal list, of course it's about style!
I think it's rather surprising that in all of Germany, she hasn't found a single wine she likes.
Does she say that, or you just inferring from a lack of listing?
In any case, I'm not generally a fan of her wriing, but I do think you;re a bit obsessed- probably 75% of the mentions of AF I see on wineboards come from you!
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