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WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Salil » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:12 am

Dinner at Grand Sichuan (this time the St. Marks location) last night with Dale Williams, Rahsaan, Jay Miller and John Ritchie. A great group, fantastic food and as always an excess of great wines - a very fun evening. Thanks all!

2005 Huët Vouvray Pétillant Brut
Nice to have a chance to revisit this, as I've buried mine away at offsite storage for some time. This is its lovely understated self again, conveying golden Chenin fruit, hay and a chalky minerality with a sense of lightness and great balance. Very enjoyable.

1966 Domaine de Chevalier
Always love old DDC, and this one's showing very well (Jay had double decanted a short while beforehand and the wine kept getting better and better with air). Mature red fruits seasoned with cedar, herbs, savoury developed earthy and smoky elements; very finessed and light on its feet with the tannins resolved but the acidity keeping it fresh and vibrant.

2001 Franz Hirtzberger Riesling Smaragd Hochrain
Layers of rich Riesling fruit, spice, minerality, developed creaminess and exotic herbal and floral accents that emerge with more air; this is the complete package. Amazing depth, balance and length. Outstanding wine (and drinking far better than the '01 Singerriedel right now).

1993 Trimbach Riesling Cuvée Frédéric Emile
Comes across a little shrill and austere at first but gains weight and depth with air; fresh pear and lemony fruit tinged by herbal and smoky elements over a vivid stony minerality and a spine of bright acidity, very enjoyable though for me suffered being poured alongside the Hirtzberger.

2001 Domaine G. Roumier / Christophe Roumier Chambolle-Musigny
Incredibly fragrant, conveying pretty red and dark fruited flavours accented by floral and spicy notes and a texture that's pure silk. The tannins are barely noticeable, and this just glides across the tongue with a remarkable lightness and sense of polish.

2001 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Spätlese #5
Some debate at the table as to whether this may have been slightly corked or just very closed, as it came across quite reticent and unyielding with the fruit very restrained, suggestions of slate and herbal elements but not really giving anything up right now. Shame, as a couple of bottles last year were spectacular.

2000 Müller-Catoir Mußbacher Eselshaut Rieslaner Spätlese
Very Scheurebe-like in its flavour profile with rich mango, peach and honeyed notes; there's a little phenolic roughness on the back end but aside from that it's a lovely wine that's all too easy to drink, and showing none of the issues of the vintage.

2001 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese
AP #28. Still dominated by sulfur aromatically (and it took quite a while to blow off), but underneath the sulfur is a stunning, seamless combination of ripe Mosel fruit, honey, slate and florality conveyed with amazing freshness and purity with fantastic acidity moderating the sweetness. There's a sense of real polish and gloss to the texture, superb balance and impressive length. Great wine.

2005 Vollenweider Wolfer Goldgrube Riesling Auslese
Very ripe and lusciously sweet; a basket of orchard fruits in fall with an underpinning of slate. It's quite dense and fleshy in the mouth, but well balanced with enough acidity to keep it from ever feeling heavy and impressive length. I'd love to see where this heads with some more time.

2002 Dönnhoff Niederhäuser Hermannshöhle Riesling Auslese
Flat out wow. Everything I'd expect from a Hermannshöhle Auslese; a spectrum of Riesling fruit ranging from fresh pears and citrus fruit to riper peachy and red fruited flavours, layered seamlessly with honeyed, floral and minerally elements and conveyed with Dönnhoff's usual lightness of touch and perfect balance with all the flavours, sweetness and acidity coming together into a seamless whole. Still very youthful, but it's already quite amazing right now.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Rahsaan » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:49 am

Salil wrote:1993 Trimbach Riesling Cuvée Frédéric Emile... suffered being poured alongside the Hirtzberger.


I agree. The Hirtzberger was probably my favorite wine for pure unmitigated pleasure, but there was an awful lot of enjoyment to be had from pretty much every wine. Although I was hoping for more from the CFE. Which is an ongoing theme for me. Something about them just doesn't click with me.

2000 Müller-Catoir Mußbacher Eselshaut Rieslaner Spätlese
...showing none of the issues of the vintage.


You mean aside from the short finish and lack of acidity? (I know rieslaner doesn't help on these fronts, but still).

2002 Dönnhoff Niederhäuser Hermannshöhle Riesling Auslese
Flat out wow...with Dönnhoff's usual lightness of touch.


Maybe. Although for lightness of touch I would look to the Prum. I don't drink enough Prum because of the aging/sulfur issues, but every time I do I am struck by the wonderfully delicate and lacy texture. And I thought last night's 01 was gorgeous. In comparison, Donnhoff is just too Nahe. I can see that he's a great winemaker, but the wines don't speak to me. I don't know if it was a stage in the aging curve or what, but this 02 NH just came across as too muddled. Or was that because of all the Sichuan food swimming on my palate. Either way, I preferred the Prum and the Vollenweider. Which was big and creamy and 05 but had a wonderfully refreshing slice of mineral slate underneath that became more and more evident as I finished the bottle at home. I look forward to this again in the future.

And great time seeing everyone, eating, and drinking!
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Dale Williams » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:51 am

Holy c#$%, I get distracted and don't finish notes and next thing you know someone posts before me- no , 2 people! This never happens. :)

Salil put together a nice small group to gather at the St. Mark's Place version of Grand Sichuan last night, good times ensued. Good to see Salil, Jay, and Rahsaan again, and to actually talk to John (who I had emailed and seen over retail counter but never really met). Nice assortment of food- cucumber in scallion sauce, tea smoked duck, soup dumplings, green beans, broccoli, fish, "short ribs", tofu, etc. And of course good wines:

2005 Huet Vouvray Petillant
Clean, chalky, and held well- actually opened nicely as the petillance subsided. B+

2001 Franz Hirtzberger "Spitzer Hochrain" Riesling Smaragd
Surprisingly (to me) friendly and accessible, rich, long, delicious. A-

1993 Trimbach Cuvee Frederic Emile
Tight and austere, opens nicely, fully mature, nice petrol notes over apple and citrus. One person says surprised it has RS, we look at him like he has 2 heads till he realizes he was trying wrong glass- he's smelling the Vollenweider. B+

1966 Domaine de Chevalier (Graves)
A little too cold at first, but as it came to better temp it showed well, and stayed strong for entire evening. Sweet fruit, cigarbox, earth, a fine package with balanced acidity, resolved tannins, and plenty of vigor. My WOTN on a good night. A-/A

2001 Roumier Chambolle-Musigny 
Very nice aromatics, on the palate it was maybe a bit thin (one called dilute) at first. But it picked up weight with air- still a delicate Chambolle, but fruit is pretty and complex- black cherry with citrus rind and floral/fruit blossom notes. Drinking nicely. B+/A-

2001 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Spatlese
AP05. This was very tight - good acids, nice mouthfeel, but not as aromatically giving as I expected. There was some discussion about borderline TCA/fruit scalping, but I didn't think so. But I carried home with me, and ventured a taste about the time train passed 125th st. For a second I got a definitely cardboard note- the wine or the box I had the glasses in? I still wasn't sure, but a sniff of bottle this morning makes me decide this was lightly corked.

2000 Muler-Catoir "Mussbacher Eselshaut" Rieslaner Spatlese
Served blind (though we knew M-C), I guessed Scheurebe by it's fruit cocktail (in a good way, not Del Monte) profile. Modest acids, pleasant, a great success for vintage. B

2005 Vollenweider "Wolfer Goldgrube" Riesling Auslese
Shows the vintage, ripe and powerul, but balanced Full, long. I think this is my first Vollenweider, I like it. B+

2001 JJ Prum "Wehlener Sonnenuhr" Riesling Auslese
Sulphur, still a bit primary, but amazing combination of strong fruit and delicate structure. Needs time. A-

2002 Donnhoff "Niederhauser Hermannshole" Riesling Auslese 
Big, deep, balanced, drinking very well, though I think I slightly preferred the delicacy of the Prum. A-/B+

Fun night, thanks all. Only the Domprobst was a disappointment.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Bill Hooper » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:36 pm

How can you guys drink such plonk all the time? Aren't you embarrassed?
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Rahsaan » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:03 pm

Dale Williams wrote:2002 Donnhoff "Niederhauser Hermannshole" Riesling Auslese 
I slightly preferred the delicacy of the Prum..


Good taste!
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Jeff Grossman » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:19 pm

Your note on the 01 Prum reminds me... I have some 05 Prum laying down. Is it reasonable to say that it's going to be even more sulfurous than the 01 (having had 4 fewer years to integrate)?
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Salil » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm

Really hard to say. I've had some Prums that were surprisingly accessible (including a bottle of the 01 Wehlener Auslese a year back that was less sulfury, clearer and showed even better than the bottle last night, and a bottle of the 05 WS GKA last month that only needed a few minutes for the sulfur to blow off), and others that have been sulfury as hell despite being in bottle almost 15 years.

Only one way to find out. (Though I will probably open one of my 05 Prums some time this fall - will report back then.)
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by David M. Bueker » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:09 pm

Well according the Katharine Prum they have dialed back the SO2 a bit in recent years.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Howie Hart » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:30 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Well according the Katharine Prum they have dialed back the SO2 a bit in recent years.

I recently (within the past year or so) became aware that the proper levels of SO2 in wines is proportional to the pH - the lower the pH the less SO2 is needed to properly preserve the wine. Also, a dry wine needs much less than one with RS. For instance, a sweet white with a pH of 3.1 requires 31ppm SO2, while a dry red with a pH of 3.6 requires 32 ppm.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by David M. Bueker » Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:49 am

Whether a dry red "requires" SO2 at all is a subject of much geeky debate.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Zachary Ross » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:11 pm

Very sorry I missed this - looks great!

Which Grand Sichuan is the best?
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Salil » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:32 pm

Hard to say. I think the St. Marks one has the best food overall, though the best tea smoked duck and gui zhou chicken I've had were at the UWS location. The most incendiary qong qing chicken was at the Chelsea GS though.

BTW, have some more Verset we need to check into at one of these Sichuan jeebs (when you can next make one) - keen on trying either the 2000 or 96 with the tea smoked duck.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Zachary Ross » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:21 am

Awesome! I'm always game for more Verset.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Dale Williams » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:56 am

Dale Williams wrote:2001 Willi Schaefer Graacher Domprobst Riesling Spatlese
AP05. This was very tight - good acids, nice mouthfeel, but not as aromatically giving as I expected. There was some discussion about borderline TCA/fruit scalping, but I didn't think so. But I carried home with me, and ventured a taste about the time train passed 125th st. For a second I got a definitely cardboard note- the wine or the box I had the glasses in? I still wasn't sure, but a sniff of bottle this morning makes me decide this was lightly corked.


OK so this was forgotten in fridge for a couple of days. Last night I tried- no obvious cardboard, more open than before yet scarcely giving, beginning to show some oxidative notes. I wish I had thought to try Sat night. So either really lightly corked or really tightly closed.
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Matthew Latuchie » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:26 pm

Zachary Ross wrote:Awesome! I'm always game for more Verset.


me too
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Re: WTN: Decadence at Grand Sichuan

by Salil » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:54 pm

then just make it up to NY or CT some time this fall...

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