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Bill Hooper wrote:If it doesn’t state anything, you can assume that it is a blend of vineyards and ripeness levels or it comes from a loam or otherwise unexceptional vineyard.
Rahsaan wrote:Bill Hooper wrote:If it doesn’t state anything, you can assume that it is a blend of vineyards and ripeness levels or it comes from a loam or otherwise unexceptional vineyard.
Yes, but just because the vineyard is specified doesn't mean it's exceptional! (Plenty of red Burgundy and CA pinot noir to prove that point).
I was also wondering how many of the truly great sites are planted with pinot noir. I know Assmanhauser is supposed to be legendary, but wasn't sure about how many of these others were truly interesting, despite their EL or EG status.
JohnGuyton wrote:Good stuff. There are some very good German (and Alsace for that matter) Pinot Noirs out there. Furst in the Franken, for one, comes to mind, but there are a good number of others. Many of these wines have a dry sour cherry style (particularly in Alsace) that I rather like and don't tend to encounter in Burgundy. I find that the style works well with duck and other fatty meats.
Bill Hooper wrote:JohnGuyton wrote:Good stuff. There are some very good German (and Alsace for that matter) Pinot Noirs out there. Furst in the Franken, for one, comes to mind, but there are a good number of others. Many of these wines have a dry sour cherry style (particularly in Alsace) that I rather like and don't tend to encounter in Burgundy. I find that the style works well with duck and other fatty meats.
Hello John,
I'm a fan of Fürst too. Who do you like in Alsace?
Cheers,
Bill
Tim York wrote: You seem to confirm that there is still a lot of heavy oaking around. I wonder why German producers go for oak on PN when their white are mostly gloriously free of wood aromas.
JohnGuyton wrote:Bill Hooper wrote:JohnGuyton wrote:Good stuff. There are some very good German (and Alsace for that matter) Pinot Noirs out there. Furst in the Franken, for one, comes to mind, but there are a good number of others. Many of these wines have a dry sour cherry style (particularly in Alsace) that I rather like and don't tend to encounter in Burgundy. I find that the style works well with duck and other fatty meats.
Hello John,
I'm a fan of Fürst too. Who do you like in Alsace?
Cheers,
Bill
Hi Bill -- I really like Klein -- for instance I find their '05 to exemplify the bright dry sour cherry style I mentioned. I also like Francois Baur's Sang du Dragon. My one experience with ZH's pinot noir was positive as well, but that was something I ran across in a wine shop in Colmar and have never seen again. There have been several others I've had while in Alsace, but the Klein and Baur are available stateside with some searching.
Bill Hooper wrote:I am familiar with Klein St. Hyppolyte in name only, but Baur is new to me. I may be losing my edge in Alsace!
Bill Hooper wrote:JohnGuyton wrote:Bill Hooper wrote:
Hello John,
I'm a fan of Fürst too. Who do you like in Alsace?
Cheers,
Bill
Hi Bill -- I really like Klein -- for instance I find their '05 to exemplify the bright dry sour cherry style I mentioned. I also like Francois Baur's Sang du Dragon. My one experience with ZH's pinot noir was positive as well, but that was something I ran across in a wine shop in Colmar and have never seen again. There have been several others I've had while in Alsace, but the Klein and Baur are available stateside with some searching.
I am familiar with Klein St. Hyppolyte in name only, but Baur is new to me. I may be losing my edge in Alsace!
Thanks,
Bill
Tim York wrote:I need to do another trip to FUB in Cologne to stock up on assorted VDP wines and some Spätburgunder.
Peter Ruhrberg wrote:Tim York wrote:I need to do another trip to FUB in Cologne to stock up on assorted VDP wines and some Spätburgunder.
Too late, Tim. They closed theor shop and now operate via internet only. You may find some Spätburgunders elsewhere in town (les Amis du Vin, Kölner Weinkeller,...).
Bill: I very much agree with your story. What is you´r take on the genetic material? It seems to me that the clones used in Germany tend to have a germanic taste, producing fruit driven wines of less depth than burgundian clones. A case in point: Keller Felix is a superb germanic Pinot for me, but his Frauenberg, planted from recently aquiried cuttings from Burgundy, is even better, shows more terroir and depth for me, and may well be the finest Pinot in Germany right now (for my personal taste).
Peter
Bill Hooper wrote:Thanks John and Andrew.
I’ve had the Deiss Burlenberg 2003 many times in the past. It started out great:
http://www.wineloverspage.com/forum/village/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16865&p=142272&hilit=burlenberg#p142272
But then took a dive:
http://www.wineloverspage.com/forum/village/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26425&p=227760&hilit=Burlenberg#p227760
I gave up after the 7th or 8th bottle.
Please let me know how your bottle tasted.
Cheers,
Bill
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