
Jenise
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Jenise wrote:
So now that it's too late, would someone (Hoke?) care to give me a little bourbon tutorial?
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Um, Hoke, how did you figure that jenise bought Russels Reserve Rye? Russels Reserve 10 is also a bourbon.
Jenise
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Does the charcoal-mellowing make the Tennessee Whiskeys (or is 'whiskies' the correct plural--I typed it that way first but it looks wrong, like cat food ) smokier?
Simple: any age statement on a bottle of bourbon is the youngest bourbon that goes into it... barrels are mingled all the time; that's the nature and essence of most of the bourbon out there, with the master distiller blending to the house style. A Single Barrel, on the other hand, is the result, anywhere from 15 to maybe 22 cases of yield, depending on evaporation/lenght of aging.And re age. Hoke, does this statement of yours "If it says Straight Bourbon, it has to be minimum two years in barrel (any younger, which is rare, and it has to have a specific age statement)" corrolate directly to the ages on the bottles I mentioned--does this imply then, or guarantee, that the Russell I bought was 10 years in barrel? And does it stay in the same barrel, or are whiskeys moved from barrel to barrel in their lifetime?
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Hoke
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JC (NC)
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Mike Filigenzi
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Diane (Long Island) wrote:Now, I'm curious to know what is considered a classic Manhattan. My first Manhattan, prepared for me at a bar in Sedona by the owner, was his favorite version of a Manhattan. Maker's Mark and dry vermouth, and that's what I thought was a Manhattan until years later, a friend insisted that the cocktail was made with rye. I still stick to Bourbon, but now have a strong preference for Blanton's, and have learned that what I drink is a perfect Manhattan.
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Jenise
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Hoke wrote:Canadian whiskey, or at least the Canadian whiskey you are used to drinking down here, is NOT RYE. It's mostly wheat, prolly. Some Canadian is rye, but the stuff that comes down here hasn't been rye for a very, very long time. Plus, that type allows flavoring (including lab flavors, fruit juices, sherry and port wine, and caramel).
Gentleman Jack is also not rye. Plus, what I told you about Jack Daniel's? That goes for the regular "Jack Black". The Gentleman Jack is twice charcoal mellowed: once as regular Jack, then again when it comes out of the barrel, all to make it softer and more mellow and with a gentler profile.
Your description of the Russells, however, indicates to me you'd definitely prefer a rye-heavy bourbon or a full rye whiskey. There's definitely a spicier, less sweet than bourbon style there.
(On an entirely different note---since you like scotch, and I know you like finding strange and wondrous things to grace your life----if you ever get the chance, try a strange and entirely wonderful whiskey from Japan/Suntory, called Hibiki.
Hoke wrote:Oh, and another thing, being hopelessly pedantic, I have to add: the story you tell of Heaven Hill is true...but there's another side to the story too. (I was there, by the way, and watching the night of the HH fire, when the creeks literally were afire from the runoff of burning alcohol.) HH did indeed use old stocks, because they had to. But the other distillers banded together and agreed to help out HH in their years of need, and offered up existing stocks to help them out, as well as agreeing to long term arrangments to make the necessary volumes at their distilleries for Heaven Hill, so the company could maintain the flow of spirits until their new distillery was back in production and their warehouses were back in balance again. So some people benefited from the old stuff (the EJ story you mentioned); and many people benefited from the goodwill of the other distilleries in their support of Heaven Hill (and still are). I thought that was a story worth telling in this all to cynical world.[/color]
Jenise
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Mike Filigenzi wrote:Wow - sorry to hear about that Manhattan incident, Jenise! A good rye Manhattan has been my favorite cocktail for a number of years now, and I've been working my way through a lot of different ones. No other quite stacks up in terms of complexity and easy elegance.
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