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JC (NC)
Lifelong Learner
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
Fayetteville, NC
JC (NC) wrote:Covert, are you intentionally being insulting? I guess if your opinions and standards are the only ones that matter to you, your last sentence makes sense. I enjoy reading divergent opinions even when I don't agree with the opinion expressed (at least about wine and food--I'm less tolerant of political opinions by Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the ilk although I sometimes listen to right-wing commentators just to see what the "enemy" is saying.)
Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:One thing this bunch of recent scientific inquiries has done for me: it has stopped me from wasting much of your or my time on this Wine Forum section of WLDG by sharing or caring what I or anybody else thinks about any particular wine.
Not quite sure what you are getting at here? Are you trying to tell me that I am wasting your time/and others posting TNs?
JC (NC)
Lifelong Learner
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
Fayetteville, NC
JC (NC) wrote:I was referring to your last sentence about it being a waste of your time and our time for you to post what you think about a wine on WLDG. I'm not objecting to the newspaper article.
Covert wrote:Like when I said that Tiger Woods was washed up.
ChaimShraga wrote:Strange, I was wondering when he picked up on TIger's decline.
Covert wrote:ChaimShraga wrote:Strange, I was wondering when he picked up on TIger's decline.
He was swinging the club like a stiff, muscle bound, aging man before he started to lose. That observation plus a bunch of young guys shooting in the high 50s and low 60s inspired the comment from me on Friends and Fun when he first came back after his breakup.
Covert wrote:But I will say that as human beings slowly become educated, there will be a day when more people agree with me that such discussion is wasting their time as well.
Ryan Maderak wrote:Covert wrote:But I will say that as human beings slowly become educated, there will be a day when more people agree with me that such discussion is wasting their time as well.
You know Zarathustra, despite what you seem to think, I find your attitude in this thread to be particularly anti-intellectual. The cultivation of knowledge occurs through human interaction, and by no other means. We share our experiences (wine or otherwise) in part to build with others a more complete understanding of a thing. If you are unwilling to share your experiences/knowledge and accept from others their experiences/knowledge as a valid "data points" for consideration, that makes you worse than someone who doesn't care at all.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Covert wrote:Ryan Maderak wrote:Covert wrote:But I will say that as human beings slowly become educated, there will be a day when more people agree with me that such discussion is wasting their time as well.
You know Zarathustra, despite what you seem to think, I find your attitude in this thread to be particularly anti-intellectual. The cultivation of knowledge occurs through human interaction, and by no other means. We share our experiences (wine or otherwise) in part to build with others a more complete understanding of a thing. If you are unwilling to share your experiences/knowledge and accept from others their experiences/knowledge as a valid "data points" for consideration, that makes you worse than someone who doesn't care at all.
Ryan, I am trying to share something I am reading more and more about which is a lot more enlightening (to me anyway) than whether I or some other bloke likes some bottle or another on a particular day. There are thousands of different bottles. It's like telling the world that your girl is the best because you think she is. There is an elephant somewhere in the tasting room in plain view that we are not seeing. That is my experience and knowledge that I am sharing.
Rahsaan wrote:Covert wrote:Like when I said that Tiger Woods was washed up.
What's your view on Federer and Nadal? Derek Jeter?
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Ryan Maderak wrote:Perhaps I was being a little harsh and missed your point. I apologize. I did actually find the research findings you posted very interesting (particularly that the Brits can tell the difference). I confess that my statement was partly if not mostly a general reaction to this seemingly being another case of you saying that you get it and the rest of us don't.
Okay, putting that aside, I don't think we share tasting notes because we think this bottle or that is one of the best ever and we want to convince others of that. I will very rarely say that a wine is one of the best I've ever had, but mostly I'm sharing my enthusiasm, not trying to pass my opinion off as a "judgement." I think we share notes because we believe it is of interest to other wine lovers, not to brag.
Now, I will partly agree with you on one thing, which is that I do not read all of the WTN threads that get posted here because many of them are about wines/regions that for one reason or another don't interest me very much, although I still appreciate the effort and enthusiasm that went into writing and sharing them, and I know that they are of interest to someone. However, I thought what you were saying is that all sharing of wine experiences is ultimately without value, which I thoroughly disagree with. Is it possible this comes down to the difference between wine as a "Dionysian" pursuit and wine as an "Apollonian pursuit?" If all you are after is the sensory pleasure, then yes, much of what you say is valid. But I, and I assume most if not all of the people who post here, also find wine intellectual stimulating, and I want to learn more and more about it, and incorporate other people's "data points" into my own understanding (and yes, I am thinking about this much the way a scientist would, which you are free to agree with or not).
But it is true that at the end of the day, what matters is whether you enjoy a wine for your own reasons, and for you your palate should be the final word. But that doesn't mean that other's people's palates don't have a valuable perspective to offer. Just my two cents.
Best Wishes,
Ryan
James Roscoe
Chat Prince
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
D.C. Metro Area - Maryland
David M. Bueker wrote:Everyone knows that the topic of the moment is Posada.
Federer is so last Egyptian dictatorship.
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
James Roscoe
Chat Prince
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
D.C. Metro Area - Maryland
Daniel Rogov wrote:Oy Covert, I love you and you know I love you, so that clears at least part of the board.
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
James Roscoe wrote:Daniel Rogov wrote:Oy Covert, I love you and you know I love you, so that clears at least part of the board.
It certainly clears up some lingering questions I've had.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
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