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Finding a Pinot Noir

by Ron DiLauro » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:32 pm

I love Pinot Noirs, but it is always hard to find one that I really enjoy. My favorite has been Martinelli Pinot Noir Bondi Ranch. But at about $85/bottle its a bit pricey for normal Pinot drinking.
I always have a tough time finding a good Pinot under $25 that is not too thin, too dry or too watery.

Recently I came across Block Nine from Caiden's Vineyards. We retail it generally for $12.99 Its a pretty nice Pinot for the price. Caiden is one of the few vineyards that dedicate themselves to Pinot Noir only.

I would be real interested in hearing from others about Pinot's that they have really enjoyed
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Howie Hart » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:47 pm

There are some very nice ones from the Niagara area of Ontario, most of which don't make it out of the country - Flat Rock Cellars is one of my favorites. A good, reasonably priced one from Oregon is Rascal - made by Linda Lindsay of Stone Wolf Cellars, who posts here frequently. She also makes some outstanding higher end bottlings.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by David M. Bueker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:52 pm

Recently the Santa Barbara area producer, Pali instituted a series of regional Pinots that go for about $20. They do one from the Santa Barbara area, one from Sonoma Coast, one from Oregon and a fourth that escapes me right now (Russian River Valley perhaps?). I have enjoyed them all very much.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Florida Jim » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:23 pm

May I suggest:

2008 Erath, Pinot Noir:13% alcohol, screwcap and about $16; translucent in appearance, transparent in delivery; smells like Oregon pinot without artifice or enhancement; tastes of clean red fruit, crisp and of its place; good sustain. Not a complex wine but as feminine and easy to drink as one could ask. With braised pork butt, excellent

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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Bob H » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:58 pm

I bought and drank several inexpensive Pinots, but this was a year ago. At that time these were my favorites. Bad news: It will be difficult to find the same vintages now. Good news: I've listed retail price, but I paid on avg. 30% less for them.

2007 Mackenzie RRV $25
2007 Kenwood RRV $18
2008 Mark West Calif $13
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Dale Williams » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:31 pm

Well, in CA PN I might look for Rhys/Alesia, Littorai (though those 2 much pricier than $25), Au Bon Climat, Copain, or Saintsbury. In Oregon Belle Pente, St Innocent.......
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Ron's favorite is Martinelli Bondi, and he is concerned that most are too thin or watery. While I don't regard the ones I named (and some of the ones suggested by others above) as thin or watery, I'm not confident that Ron would feel the same. I just think it's important to recognize there is no one "good." While some of us have more catholic tastes than others, it's probably generally a good idea to think about what someone has said they like when making suggestions.

I'm not criticizing, just pointing out what we like doesn't equal good. On another board someone asked about "Burgundian styled PNs" once and the first 2 answers were something like Marcassin and Kosta Browne. I've got zero problem with anyone liking those, but I wouldn't call Burgundian!
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Brian Gilp » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:09 pm

I stopped drinking Martinelli after the 2002 vintage and really walked away from the style so this is only a guess, Siduri.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Ron DiLauro » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:03 pm

Dale, the beauty about wine tasting is trying all different wines. I want to try some of the wines that have been mentioned here. That is the best way to continue to expand my wine awareness.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by David M. Bueker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:37 pm

Well if it's about favorite Cali Pinot regardless of price then Rhys and Anthill Farms are my two choices. As Dale said though, both are well north of $25.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Dale Williams » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:56 pm

Ron,
I'm not that far, we should get together at some point and drink some PN. I'm sure we could rope in Salil, David, or a couple others.
For that matter, check out 4/30 offline in Offline Forum.
I agree it's important to try as many wines as possible. Just wanted to point out for those of us without unlimited resources, that maybe we should consider tastes preferences when making suggestions

David, Anthill is new to me. Maybe we need to arrange something! :)
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by David M. Bueker » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:00 pm

Dale,

I think you would like Anthill. I will check with Laura on the 4/30 offline. I may end up coming stag if I can make it. As you know these big gatherings are not her sort of thing.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Robin Garr » Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:23 pm

Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara Pinot Noir. As I mentioned in another discussion this week, I really like Jim Clendenen's approach to the Burgundian varieties, which tends to pull in the other direction from the Syrah-style trend on the Central Coast.

Of course, I'm also a sucker for very modest regional Burgundies and even Bourgogne Pinot Noir from negociants on my good-guys list, including the widely available Louis Jadot.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Brian Gilp » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:20 am

At around the $25 price point I look for Lemelson Thea's Selection and Nobilo Icon as well as the Erath that Jim already mentioned.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Kelly Young » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:18 am

I very much like the Domaine Collotte Marsannay Clos de Jeu. I've not had the most recent iteration, though the '07 (pictured below) was quite lovely. A bit fruit forward for Burgundy IMO (or maybe that's just Marsannay?), but unbeatable at $24!

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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Jon Peterson » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:25 am

For everyday PN, I like Wild Horse (Central Coast) and Angeline (Calif). Both are about 10 bucks and very nice at that price point.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Jason Hagen » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:12 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Recently the Santa Barbara area producer, Pali instituted a series of regional Pinots that go for about $20. They do one from the Santa Barbara area, one from Sonoma Coast, one from Oregon and a fourth that escapes me right now (Russian River Valley perhaps?). I have enjoyed them all very much.


Considering Martinelli as the starting point you may just want to go to a Santa Barbara syrah :mrgreen: But otherwise the first thing that came to my mind was the Pali and I think Brian Loring also has some in this price range. The ones I have tasted were outstanding and still in the bigger style.

Warmer vintages in Oregon seem to produce a lot of great values as well. Look at 2006 & it sounds like 2009.

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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Tim York » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:58 pm

Leaving aside Burgundy, which is the obvious place to look, and the USA, where I have little access, there is now an increasing amount of excellent Pinot Noir being made elsewhere, particularly in other French regions and in Germany, Italy and New Zealand. I hope that some of these are finding their way Stateside.

Red Sancerre (from PN) has left behind its image of a light wine to drink chilled in Parisian bistrots and is now producing some very serious wines with producers like Alphonse Mellot, Vincent Pinard and Vacheron especially prominent. Something similar is happening in Alsace, where the traditional PN used to be little darker and fuller than a rosé; those now being made by, for example, Albert Mann and René Muré are very well regarded. And don't forget red Coteaux Champenois whose wines from PN can have exquisite elegance - Bouzy rouge from several Producers and Ambonnay from Egly-Ouriet. Germany too is acquiring a reputation for PN (Spätburgunder) in regions like the Pfälz, Franken and even as far North as Ahr near Cologne. The warming climate no doubt helps in all these places.

One of the finest non-Burgundian PNs which I have had was from Alto Adige (Sud Tirol) in Northern Italy. Here is a TN from 2009 -

Pinot Nero Barthenau Vigna S. Urbano Alto Adige DOC 1995 – J. Hofstätter is just about the best Pinot Noir which I have had from outside Burgundy. This bottle showed medium body, elegant and pure but complex red and dark fruit with a lot of cherry, still lively acidity, touches of minerals, good length and classical shape on the palate; excellent but possibly a tad faded compared with my memories of a glass at a tasting a couple of years ago; 16.5/20++.

I have also been impressed by PN from New Zealand, particularly from Central Otago, where the cool climate seems very favourable. Here is a TN from the Felton Road range presented at a tasting a couple of years ago. Warning high prices.

Felton Road, Central Otago, New Zealand
By contrast I was much more impressed by the wines here today than on the last occasion. The stimulating presence of Nigel Greening, the owner, no doubt helped. The estate works on biodynamic principles applied pragmatically rather than religiously. Greening agrees that the motivational aspect for the team (Jamie’s placebo effect) is important but also stoutly defends the efficacy of some of the preparations; I have no reason to doubt him.
Felton Road Chardonnay 2007 (€36), with a roughly 10% new oak component, showed lovely creamy white fruit but was still a bit raw on the finish; at present I prefer the Isolation Ridge above but I think that this will blossom with more time; 16/20+ potentially.
Three vintages were shown of Felton Road Pinot Noir (all €46). We are back to pure fruit and focus here. 2004, a cool year, is Greening’s favourite and it certainly showed more harmony and elegance in its tangy rich cherry fruit and balanced linear structure; nearly ready and potentially 17/20. 2003 was richer but with less tang and focus, liquorice notes in its more marked structure and a hint of over-ripeness on the finish; 16/20. 2006 was more closed aromatically and still a touch raw with impressive substance and again liquorice notes in its structure; I guess 16.5/20 potential.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Carl Eppig » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:38 pm

This past year we went though a full box of Knapp Finger Lakes Merlot at $14.95. It really had a lot of bang for the buck, and made a great everyday drinker. Went wonderfully with tenderloin steak.
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by Diane (Long Island) » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:04 pm

I would suggest you become acquainted with Scherrer. I find Fred's wines to be the most elegant and well balanced Pinots. He has a 2008 "Black Lightnin" that goes for $22. I haven't tried that one, but I haven't been disappointed in any of his efforts.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Richard Fadeley OLD » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:12 pm

Ask your distributor for the Bouchard Pere & Fils '08 Bourgogne Rouge. Drinking beautifully now and only about $19 retail, or less.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Dan Smothergill » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:12 am

We tried a bottle of Pinot Project Pinot Noir at Robin's suggestion and liked it enough to go back for a case. It's light but tasty and without the tannins we dislike. About $10 on sale around here.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by JC (NC) » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:09 pm

I'll second Erath and Angeline and also suggest Frei Brothers Pinot Noir, a Russian River Valley Pinot for about $20 in some locations. One of my bargain wines from France is Hob Nob Pinot Noir, a Vins de Pays d'Oc that can be found for under $8 or $9 in some states (it runs a bit higher here in North Carolina.) A friend tried the Hob Nob Chardonnay and liked that also.
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Ron DiLauro » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:10 pm

I also like Hob Nob Pinot very much...'
That along with Block Nine and Mark West are some nice Pinot's under $15
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Re: Finding a Pinot Noir

by Jenise » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:26 pm

The pinot "bargain" in my cellar right now is some 2008 August West out of California. Just his regular (vs. the many single vineyard designates he does), I'm not sure what these retail for but I picked them up for around $18/ea on Wine Commune.
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