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WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Dale Williams » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Yesterday was the worst day I've had in quite some time. In between normal work and ice scraping, I apparently managed to drop by wallet by parking meter not far from office. When I realized, it was gone - though some scattered business cards, Metrocard, etc made it clear someone had found it. I had gotten extra cash to cash checks for parttime workers, so out about half-week's pay- as well as drivers license, credit cards, etc. What a sucky day.

However, dinner partially made up for it. Some friends had given me a gift certificate to Alto for my 50th this fall. Betsy will be away Valentine's Day, so this was our early celebration. We drove down, found easy parking, and entered the attractive restaurant. We then proceeded to have the best meal I've had in a while.

OK, the food. The amuse was a shot glass of warm cauliflower soup with chives and salmon roe. Betsy got mushroom soup surrounding a mound of ricotta accented with truffles. My starter was squab breast with what reminded me of the best Boston baked beans I've ever had. My pasta was a large ravioli filled with truffled cheese and a beautifully runny egg, with mushrooms and sweetbreads. Betsy got pasta with mussels in a saffron cream sauce, and they gave us a bonus pasta dish- Betsy called it chitarra with shaved broccoli, uni, and clams. My main was branzino in a rich sauce with sautéed spinach and crispy cauliflower bits; Betsy could only make a dent in a huge veal chops with a cream sauce and cardoons. Betsy enjoyed chocolate gelato and pomegranite sorbet, but adored the roasted pear sorbet, I finished with goat cheese (Selles sur cher) . Everything was delicious, if one closed one's mind to any concerns re cholesterol - this was rich stuff!

As to the wine….I'm a geeky wineguy, and usually have fun choosing my wine, though after my disaster I reduced my mental budget a bit. Decided to go with a bottle of white, and eyed an Aligote, a couple Rieslings, a Pieropan La Rocca, a Verdicchio. But I realized our sommelier was Levi Dalton, who had made great by the glass suggestions when we were at Convivio (same group of restaurants). So I said "I'd like a bottle of white, we're having the prix fixe with some seafood but also some richer stuff, I'd like to keep it in the $50-75 range, and I'm really geeky and would like to try something new." He suggested an Alto Adige white, the 2009 Kuen Hof Silvaner. OK, I'll admit, Italian Silvaner is not something I'd ever think of. But this guy knows (and praises) the wine, and knows the food. And the fact I'd have never chosen it myself is kind of the point, right? So let's try it.

2009 Kuen Hof Silvaner
Lean, tensile, minerally. Citrus fruit, a saline edge. A really lovely wine that spanned a lot of complex dishes well, and opened/changed throughout evening. He gave me choice of keeping on ice or on table, I chose former which might have been a mistake, as a glass that sat for a while filled out with air and warmth. I'd never have chosen this wine on my own in 20 tries, but now it's something to look for. Ranks with the absolute best Franken silvaners I've ever had. A-

So, the suggestion was a great success. But there was a surprise (wait, 2!). Since I had described myself as geeky and expressed interest in something different, all of the sudden he shows up with a bottle of the 1996 Francis Cotat "La Grande Cote Cuvee Speciale"Sancerre. Said since I was geeky I might like to try this, a wine from a superhot vintage that the Cotats (I think the brothers were still sharing cellar at this point?) let retain some residual sugar. Very cool and funky wine, with a HUGE exotic nose. Spearmint, fig, tropical fruits, Fresca. Despite the big ripe body, lots of chalky minerality showing on finish. As Betsy succinctly put it "I've never tasted anything quite like this." She saved some and it did well with the chevre (I stole hers). I alternated between loving this and being perplexed by it. B+/A- ?

And that wasn't the end of it. When Betsy's veal arrived, he showed up again with the remainders of a half bottle of 2006 Vernay Condrieu, saying the Silvaner wasn't quite big enough for the veal. The Condrieu certainly was, a rich full wine replete with floral/musky notes. Very interesting wine, though probably my least favorite of the three, unlike the Sancerre the ripeness seems to overtake the acidity, a bit fat (though for Condrieu this had reasonable acidity). I've enjoyed a lot of Condrieu, but never found one I'd want to pay the fare for - but this one was free! : B/B+.

All in all, my incredibly shitty day was made much better by a innovative and generous sommelier (and an attentive service staff and creative kitchen). The bonus pours were amazingly generous, but really the best part was trying a wine that went beyond my expectations and that was out of my comfort zone. Sometimes it pays to put aside one's geeky control self and learn from someone who really knows their stuff.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Salil » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:32 pm

UGH. Really sorry to hear about the lost wallet - hope the damage isn't too bad.

Glad your day at least finished on a good note. Levi Dalton does an amazing job - I haven't had the chance to go to Alto yet, but it sounds like a great experience.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Dale Williams » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:29 pm

Thanks Salil. So about 30 minutes ago police called. Someone found my wallet while shoveling snow. No cash, but everything else is there.The cards are already cancelled, but less worries about ID theft. And I don't need to replace drivers license (or little things like memberships cards, library cards, insurance, etc). I'm still out the price of a case of pretty good Burgundy, and have to deal with changing cards for recurring charges, but better than nothing.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by R Cabrera » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:55 pm

I'm sorry to hear about wallet, Dale. Glad that your dinner went very well, plus you recovered most important documents.
Thanks for the TNs and the report on Alto. I've never been and will look to try it one of these days.

Just edited to ask: Was that a typo on the Cotat wine? Shouldn't the name be "Francois" ?
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by JC (NC) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:31 pm

It's the Cotat cousins currently--sons of brothers. I've been thinking that it's time for me to actively seek out a Condrieu again. I have only had a few ever but liked a Rossignol "La Bonette."

Sorry about the wallet. Years ago in California I was mugged for my purse and after canceling all the credit cards got the purse back missing only the cash and a couple Volksmarch medals. I even changed locks because a set of keys were in the purse along with my address. The thief may have thought the Volksmarch medals had more value than they really did. I had them in my purse to show coworkers--one was of the California capitol building in Sacramento and the other was of the old Governor's Mansion. Unfortunately, I never did the Volksmarches in Sacramento again to replace the medals.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Dale Williams » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:57 pm

There were 2 Cotat brothers, Francis and Paul. They shared a cellar, and the presumption was the wines were basically the same. My understanding is that sometime I believe in the mid 90s the authorities told them that was illegal. One kept the cellar, other got a new facility down the road. The estates were turned over to Pascal (son of Francis) and Francois (son of Paul). The cousins both keep close to family traditions, and the wines are about as alike as you will find (I don't think Pascal makes a " Les Culs de Beaujeu "). Can we get someone who knows their Sancerre to expound?

But was brothers (Paul and Francis), currently cousins (Pascal and Francois)
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Oliver McCrum » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:47 pm

I am glad you like that wine, Dale; I finally managed to land Kuenhof after chasing them for years. They take Sylvaner very seriously in that little pocket of the Alto Adige and some very good wines come from it.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Lou Kessler » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:14 pm

We attended a wine tasting & dinner at Alto when we visited last October and everything was great. Levi is very knowledgeable about wine + just a real nice person. He also made arrangements for our evening at Marea, it's unfortunate the partners broke up, hopefully it stays great for all of them, being such a winning combination.
I directed some personal friends who are wine geeks par excellence to Alto a few weeks back and they were greatly impressed with all things at Alto, especially Levi.
I heartily recommend Marea also for food & wine. The sommelier was excellent and a big help there also.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Dale Williams » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:00 pm

Oliver, congratulations on landing what seems to be a fine estate. I see apparently Sylvaner (rather than Silvaner which I'm more used to) is used in Alto Adige. And I guess Kuenhof is one word. Sorry!

Lou, I hope one day to get to Marea, though I know that it's no longer same group. But Alto was so appealing I might be back soon, though I'm usually a "let's try something new" guy.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Diane (Long Island) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:27 pm

Dale - that really sucks about your wallet, and I hoped you managed to put the thought of it aside for the evening...except when budgeting for the wine.

Alto was my best dinner of 2009. I celebrated my birthday there, brought a beautiful bottle of wine which received excellent attention by the staff, and the food was outstanding. I've been to Marea 3 times, like it, but I think Alto is superior.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Rahsaan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:39 am

Sounds like some fun wines. Levi clearly knows what he is doing. I bet not a lot of people want that Silvaner so he was happy to find someone who would appreciate it.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Florida Jim » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:42 am

Dale,
I don't get to NY very often but, when I do, a trip to Alto just moved to the top of the list.
I've been reading Levi's notes/comments/etc. and have seen media articles that mentioned him - and this note just puts the icing on the cake.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Lou Kessler » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:47 pm

You wouldn't take my word about Alto? From now on I'll study more and say nice things about Cowan wines. I need credibility.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Florida Jim » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:14 pm

Lou Kessler wrote:You wouldn't take my word about Alto? From now on I'll study more and say nice things about Cowan wines. I need credibility.

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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Bob Ross » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:11 pm

Sorry about your wallet, Dale -- and thanks for the great note on Alto.

I had a wonderful meal there last December, one of our memorial dinners, and their corkage policy is very pleasant: "All 9 PM reservations and later are welcome to bring in a MAXIMUM of one 750 ml. bottle per table at no charge."

Babbo is still my favorite Italian restaurant in the City, but Alto is great too.

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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Andrew Bair » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:01 pm

Hi Dale -

Thank you for the writeup on your great meal. The Kuenhof Silvaner sounds very nice; I also enjoy Franken Silvaners, but have only had a couple from Alto Adige so far.

Sorry to hear about your wallet, though. :(
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Oliver McCrum » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:55 pm

As far as I can tell, the two places where Sylvaner (or however one spells it) is taken seriously are Franconia and the little northern pocket in the Alto Adige called the Isarco valley. In my (entirely subjective) opinion Kuenhof's is the best, but there are some others that are excellent, such as Noessing and Pacherhof.

Incidentally if anyone has tips for really good Alsatian Sylvaner I'm all ears.
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Re: WTN: Sommelier Saves the Day(Alto, w/Silvaner, Viognier, SB)

by Dale Williams » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:31 pm

Sorry Oliver, my limited experience of Alsatian Silvaner hasn't been too impressive. But I think it's mostly used for blends there.
I've had excellent Franken Silvaner (Wirsching and others). The other place I've liked it from (before this experience) is Rheinhessen- Keller makes a very very good one, and Gysler makes good value.

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