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WTN: Millenium and Karolus

by Jenise » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:19 pm

1998 Millenium, Columbia Valley, Washington: A collaborative effort by three Washington wineries, according to the bottle, spearheaded by legendary winemaker David Lake featuring a 3:1 blend of cabernet sauvignon and cab franc respectively. I presume it was a one-off aimed at New Years Eve 2000, as the brand has not been seen since. It has aged very well. Initial pine-resin nose evolves into a more pleasant cedar thing, but it never leaves entirely so much as it gets buried under the emerging fruit--they must have used American oak. Strangely the fruit is pure raspberry--not a blackberry or black cherry in sight--and Bob rightly had trouble diagnosing the grapes (poor man is always drinking blind). The tannins are pretty resolved now but there's enough and enough acidity to hold here for a few years. Good QPR for $10 at Winebid.

2000 Karolus, Haut Medoc, Bordeaux: Bought a case of this garagiste Bordeaux at auction for $10/bottle on the strength of a trusted friend's glowing tasting note (the wine originally retailed at about $40). We've sampled a bottle here and there over the years but never found it very satisfying: it's a rather monolithic black wine, and has never been generous on the palate. Finally, though, it shows some potential. It's softening up on the palate and a bit of desperately needed red fruit is peeking through. Tannins are fine but it could use a bit more acid which, looked at in combination with a hint of soy sauce flavor that has also arrived, makes me doubtful about a long and happy future.
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Re: WTN: Millenium and Karolus

by Hoke » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:59 pm

Jenise, thanks for the note on the Millenium. Interesting to see how it is faring.

That was yet another of David's forays into bringing more attention to one of his favorite issues, the importance of Cabernet Franc both as a variety and as a superb blender, and focusing more attention on the grape in Washington.

I never subscribed to the 'lock-step' approach of 3:1 myself, and was more interested in the combination itself than a mandate of portions. But David, bless his heart, was as staunch supporter of Cabernet Franc (as he was with Syrah early on too) and advocated it every chance he got----and in those days, it pretty much needed to be in a blend as it had little traction on its own, more's the pity.

Unfortunately, I was never overly impressed with the Millenium project. Your response here suggests that I still wouldn't be.

If you have occasion to ever try any of David's Cabernet Franc bottlings from Columbia, let me know what you think. He was producing some excellent CF's back in the day----a bit overstated in their youth (but that was David's style, as he hoped some of them would be allowed to mature and ripen and flourish in the bottle) but I always thought they would progress nicely. Unfortunately, it's been some while since I've tried any of them to find out.
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Re: WTN: Millenium and Karolus

by Jenise » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:18 pm

Hoke wrote:Unfortunately, I was never overly impressed with the Millenium project. Your response here suggests that I still wouldn't be.

If you have occasion to ever try any of David's Cabernet Franc bottlings from Columbia, let me know what you think. He was producing some excellent CF's back in the day----a bit overstated in their youth (but that was David's style, as he hoped some of them would be allowed to mature and ripen and flourish in the bottle) but I always thought they would progress nicely. Unfortunately, it's been some while since I've tried any of them to find out.


You always bring such good background about wineries you were associated with, thank you for that. And no, you wouldn't be impressed with the Millenium. It's impressive as a lively '98 purchased weeks ago for just $10, but outside of QPR considerations it's just a nice older wine. Did not know this about David and Cab Franc. If I see any old ones floating about, I'll pick one up.
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Re: WTN: Millenium and Karolus

by Hoke » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:01 pm

Jenise, "associated with" only in the sense that I liked David Lake immensely, liked his style of winemaking, liked his pioneering attitudes, and often liked the wines of Columbia under his stewardship.

But I was never involved with Columbia or David in any business capacity. Never sold or represented the wines. It was simply my responsibility, along with my immense pleasure and personal edification, to know as much about everything vinous as I possibly could.

David was a visionary for Washington state in many ways, and a champion of developing and publicizing single vineyards, then-secondary or tertiary varieties that he thought showed amazing promise in WA (CF and Syrah the most prominent), and a straightforward, no nonsense, full on, robust style of wine making with his reds (although he did more than a few good whites too.)

Plus, I miss him.

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