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WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Tim York » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:12 am

We were lucky to be shown the wines of three well known Alsatian producers.

Marcel Deiss
I have very little experience of this controversial estate, so I jumped at the opportunity. I guess that the presenter was Jean-Michel Deiss’ son, Matthieu. He seemed totally committed to the estate’s 200% terroirist philosophy, even going so far as unwillingness to give the varietal composition of the crus which I was tasting, only remarking that the varieties chosen were those most suited to the site. The first four wines tasted were at least demi-sec in my estimation and the comment was that this was how the balance naturally comes out; to my complaint about pairing difficulty, he answered the estate’s website gives suggestions. The last two were frankly sweet and I preferred them.

On this showing, I must confess to being unconvinced by this approach. The wines were accomplished and there were some interestingly unusual flavours emerging but, in particular, I missed the strong personality of Riesling which IMO has all the purity, terroir reflective ability and complex aromatic character that one can want without blending. Deiss would no doubt say that I need education to break out of the varietal brainwashing.

Langenberg 2007 (€23) showed a lot of tobacco in its aromas and a slightly sweet attractive spiciness of the palate; 15.5/20.
Potenberg 2007 (€29). There was exotic fruit, orange peel and pineapple, here and again a slight sweetness offset by some moreish acidity; 16/20.
Schoffweg 2007 (€32) was quite sweet with good acid balance; 15.5/20.
Gruenspiel 2004 (€26) also showed a lot of orange peel and pineapple but more tension and backbone than some of the previous; 16/20++.
Huebuhl 2005 (€29) was frankly sweet with attractive notes of ginger evidence of botrytis and good balancing grip; 16.5/20.
Altenberg de Bergheim grand cru 2006(€56) was again frankly sweet and showed greater depth and refinement than any of the others with excellent acid balance; 17/20.


Domaine Weinbach
These three wines showed what I felt was missing in those of Deiss, namely sharply delineated and focussed varietal character coupled with refinement, subjective dryness (though not bone dry) and therefore great food friendliness. Catherine Faller seemed to be keen that I should return and say this to Deiss but the crowd was dissuasive. No prices were given here but I guess that they are higher than Dirler-Cadé’s and close to Deiss’.

Riesling grand cru Schlossberg 2009 was fresh, mineral and focussed underpinned by white fruit and decent “gras”; elegant 16.5/20+.
Pinot Gris Cuvée Sainte-Catherine 2008 had an unusual Riesling touch on the nose coupled with some more usual unctuousness and notes of grilled bacon. The palate had more tension and lively acidity than common with PG which IMO enhanced the richness; some RS was there but the wine was quite dry seeming; 16.5/20++.
Gewurtztraminer Cuvée Théo 2008 had the usual spicy lychee notes but allied to an uncommon freshness, refinement and backbone; 17/20.


Domaine Dirler-Cadé
This is another fine estate, though the wines, particularly the PG and Gewurz, were not quite as refined as those from Weinbach. Some people may prefer that. Three of the following came from the Kessler site and two from Saering; Deiss would probably have blended the varieties to make one cuvée from each site but I really doubt whether the result would be so good.

Muscat grand cru Saering 2009 (€14,50) is one of the finest dry Muscats I know. This vintage showed strong aromatics with ginger and lychee coming out coupled with great freshness and minerality; 16/20+.
Riesling grand cru Saering 2008 (€18,50) had 9g RS but was dry seeming due to the acid balance. The nose was quite subdued but there was good aromatic expression on the palate, tension, salinity, minerality and length; 16.5/20.
Riesling grand cru Kessler 2008 (€20) also had 9g RS and was dry seeming. It was fruitier and deeper than the previous but in no way lacking in tension and grip; 16.5/20+.
Pinot Gris grand cru Kessler 2008 (€17) had 39g RS but I would never had guessed it because of the mouth watering acidity which made it seem barely demi-sec. The overall effect was rich and complex but without quite the tension and refinement of Weinbach’s; 16/20++.
Gewurztraminer grand cru Kessler VT 2008 was quite sweet with generous lychee but less precision and backbone than Weinbach’s drier version; 15.5/20++.
Gewurztraminer grand cru Kessler VT 2007 (€28), 95g RS, was rich and complex with greater freshness than the 2008 and notes more reminiscent of rose and pineapple; 16/20+.


Part 3 will deal with Guffens-Heynen, Verget and some fine QPR offerings from Les Fils de René Quénard (Savoie).
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Andrew Bair » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:06 pm

Hi Tim -

Thank you for the very interesting notes. I actually have really enjoyed what I have had from Deiss so far, after first trying one of his field blends last year. While I don't believe that varietal labeling in Alsace should go the way of the dinosaurs, as Jean-Michel Deiss would want, his field blends have quickly become my favorite Alsatian wines.
The Deiss wines that I have tried have all been essentially mature. I haven't tried any as young as those that you tasted, so it isn't clear to me yet how long they normally take to develop into the "full pictures" that I have been so impressed by.

I don't recall ever seeing any of the Dirler-Cade wines before.
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Bill Hooper » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:15 pm

I'm a big fan of Deiss too. His Grand Cru Schoenenbourg and Altenberg de Bergheim are imo, among the great white wines of the world (particularly with some bottle age as Andrew suggests.) The Domaine is also one of the top Dry Muscat producers that I have encountered and I have tasted wonderful Pinot Noir from Deiss as well. Even if you don't subscribe to the dogma, these wines are revelations of uncompromising passion. I will admit that they can be a little inkonsistent.

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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:57 pm

I have just seen a shipment from Dirler-Cade downtown, time to stock up on some Alsace I think. Muscat would be one white I might be interested in for sure!
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by John S » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:12 pm

I too am glad that Deiss has such a singular vision for his wines. I appreciate his braveness - it's not easy to suffer the slings and arrows of judgemental neighbours and critics - and I think that his wines are definitely different. I wouldn't say they are always 'better', but they are certainly different and can reach the heights of other Alsace wines. I glad to have the choice of 'traditional' versus 'non-traditional' Alsacian wines - there is room for both!
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Tim York » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:30 am

John S wrote:I too am glad that Deiss has such a singular vision for his wines. I appreciate his braveness - it's not easy to suffer the slings and arrows of judgemental neighbours and critics - and I think that his wines are definitely different. I wouldn't say they are always 'better', but they are certainly different and can reach the heights of other Alsace wines. I glad to have the choice of 'traditional' versus 'non-traditional' Alsacian wines - there is room for both!


I can't disagree with that. But I don't want Deiss to win his combat to outlaw varietal wines at top levels in Alsace and I don't think he will.
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Kelly Young » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:02 am

Nice to see this one bubble up to the surface again. The Deiss wines are hard to find around here, though they do pop up from time to time. The odd thing is with the exception of a variety specific Pinot Gris I've found at the local Whole Foods, when I do find them for some reason I'm only finding 2002 vintage items. The slapped on importer/distributor label has me wondering if they've been brought in/distributed as some sort of old stock. I mentioned elsewhere that I got a bottle of the 2002 Engelgarten, but it had a bad cork, went back to replace it and noticed that most of the bottles seemed to have bad corks. Eventually got one that was sound and the wine was terrific. I've since found the 2002 Burg at another shop but I am a bit wary.
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Re: WTN: RVF's Salon Part 2 - Alsace w. Deiss, Weinbach & Dirler

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:51 am

I would be wary too. If this "late" release was from the winery, one would expect wines/corks to be in better shape? We have some whites from Germany here that were library releases and they all appear in excellent shape.

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