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BTN: What a difference a yeast makes

by Keith M » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:08 pm

Mikkeller, a Danish brewer with quite a following in the United States, recently released a Single Hop Series, where a number of identical beers, save for the individual hop used, were released--made a big splash. I, alas, was distracted and missed that release, but recently headed over to the Trappist in Oakland for the Yeast Series. A pale ale produced with the same malt, hops, and water for each but with five different yeasts. The opportunity for side-by-side comparison was indeed educational.

The Lager/Bohemian yeast beer had a sweeter nose and a soft but slightly crisp grip. The underlying richness really opened up into complexity as the beer opened and this understated beer was undoubtedly my favorite of the lot. The American Ale yeast beer was very neutral indeed--more wine-type smells on the nose, showing more malt and clean and straightforward in the mouth. The other ingredients, not the yeast, dominated the taste profile here. The Hefeweizen yeast beer sang the familiar tune of banana and oranges and was creamy and delicious, but the fruity esters do get tiring after a bit--man does this yeast have strong characteristics. The Belgian yeast beer was soft, rounded and caramelesque. The aromas were particularly soft and come-into-my-reading-library-with-a-roaring-fire-in-the-middle-of-winter-esque. The Brettanomyces yeast beer offered excellent sour cherries on the nose and clean simple tart fruit in the taste. Came off as a bit too yeasty as the beer went along, but, all in all, one of my favorites. Pretty eye-opening for me to discover how interesting an effect the lager yeast had and the degree to which even the strong flavor and aroma components of the hefeweizen and brettanomyces yeasts still depend on the underlying hop/malt/water presence of the beer that either provides depth and a foundation for those elements or fails to do so. Controlled comparisons rock!
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Re: BTN: What a difference a yeast makes

by Paul Savage » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:01 pm

Some years ago I tried making wine, as grapes are brought in from California and are available in my area. I also tried different commercially available yeasts, and noticed different results with each, similar to what you experienced with the beers.
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Re: BTN: What a difference a yeast makes

by Rahsaan » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:05 pm

Keith M wrote:The Hefeweizen yeast beer sang the familiar tune of banana and oranges and was creamy and delicious, but the fruity esters do get tiring after a bit--


Are you referring to this version of Hefeweizen or the genre in general? If it's the genre in general, I agree. I used to love the stuff and refer to it as 'beer juice' but in recent years I find I can't drink more than 2 glasses without getting tired/heavy.

As a side note, I had a really terrible Blue Moon last night. I wasn't expecting much, and was mainly feeling whimsical (not many other better choices at the bar) but it was even thicker and sweeter and worse than I remembered.
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Re: BTN: What a difference a yeast makes

by Keith M » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:32 am

Rahsaan wrote:
Keith M wrote:The Hefeweizen yeast beer sang the familiar tune of banana and oranges and was creamy and delicious, but the fruity esters do get tiring after a bit--


Are you referring to this version of Hefeweizen or the genre in general? If it's the genre in general, I agree. I used to love the stuff and refer to it as 'beer juice' but in recent years I find I can't drink more than 2 glasses without getting tired/heavy.

My quote was regarding that beer in particular, but in general that's where I find myself with hefeweizen in general--pretty tiring unless I get the rare one that fits my specific profile . . .
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Re: BTN: What a difference a yeast makes

by Brian Gilp » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:26 pm

No one questions the impact of yeast on beer. This is obvious when one looks at the two main categories of beer being based solely on if the yeast is top or bottom fermenting. The differences within those categories is a very interesting and something I loved about home brewing. Yeast impact on wine is not as clear cut. There are those that tout the virtue of native yeast as increasing complexity and mouthfeel. Many believe that any yeast impact on wine becomes negligible after a period of time which I forget exactly but is very short for a wine but long for the anticipated life of most beers. Something in the area of 18 months. In my mind the hardest part about determining if a yeast makes a difference is the wine is that no two wine fermentations are the same. Sugar, nutrient, pH, and temperature just to name a few can change year to year making it harder to cite yeast as the sole reason for a difference. Beer is much more consistent from year to year and it is much easier to tell the impact of the yeast over its much shorter lifespan.

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