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WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Jenise » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:05 pm

Last night my downtown group met to consider the wines of the Languedoc. Have to admit, I wasn't all that excited about this topic as I only had two bottles of Languedoc wine in my cellar, a 2003 Roussillon and an '86 Banyuls. For reasons unclear to me, I just don't end up buying or holding these wines. So in order to make sure I had two good bottles to share, I went to the retailer in town with the best Rhone selection thinking Languedoc a natural outcropping from that preference. But she only had two, and maybe that in fact is why I don't end up trying them: there just aren't that many around in my market. Anyway, I bought both and good thing: after an hour or so in a decanter, the sweet, strong, alcoholic (label said 13.5%, but that's a lie) 2003 Forca Cotes du Roussillon starting showing some oxidation. It stayed behind.

Once we got to Gabe's, we got to taste some open bottles:

2007 Remoissenet Bourgogne: Rovani's new baby. Sweet fruit, slate-y minerals, and a nice metallic edge. Very good.

2007 Scott Paul 'Le Paulee': pretty warm red color, complex and tasty.

2008 Lamadrid Bonarda, Argentina: Grippy and substantial, quite likable. If you have to drink Bonarda.

2008 Lamadrid Malbec: floral nose, good on the palate, modern but not gooey, and no toasted oak, which makes it one of the better cheapy Argentinian malbecs I've had.

2007 Roger Lassarat Macon-Vergisson Cuvee Unique: what we love about Macons. Bright, citrussy, sweet fruit, mild oak.

2008 Jean-Luc Dubois Chorey-les-Beaune 'Clos Margot': lite and bright, slight Bazooka nose, sour cherry on the palate. Refreshing, if a tad simple.

And now onto the Languedocs:

A) Soy sauce, chocolate covered coffee beans, very little fruit. Aging in a bad way is my take, though others weren't as sure: 2005 Le Roc Des Anges '1903' Carignan. D.

B) Smith Brothers cherry cough drop, some caramel notes, nose delivers more than the palate which is soft and simple. Eh. It's one of mine: 2006 Donjon Minervois. C-.

C) Bright, grippy, chocolate covered orange peel, kirsch, "Nestle's all the way". 2006 Domaine L'Oustal Blanc "Naick 6", Minervois. C-.

D) Juniper, cat pee, pomegranate, musky, odd but interesting. There's something familiar here that I don't connect with until the wine is revealed to be a St. Chinian, because another that I have (and has gotten some love here on WLDG) has that same quality. It's the 2007 Le Chante de Marjolaine. I like it better than most at the table. C+.

E) Best so far. "Least artificial", was Bryan's astute observation. It's certainly the most complete (and would remain so, by unanimous vote) with earthy fruit, violets, a tiny bit of mint, mild sweetness, and good balance. 2006 Domaine Leon Barral, Faugeres. Everybody's WOTN. B.

F-1) Syrah nose. Then: coconut-flavored suntan oil, American oakiness, raspy tannins, a little hot. Unfortunately this joke turns out to be my second bottle, a 2006 Guiot from the Costieres du Nimes. D. (In typing this, I'm suddenly getting flashbacks about having a Guiot, perhaps not this bottling and definitely not this vintage, heavily reccomended to me several years ago because it got huge love from Parker--which at the time was not a bad thing--which I bought and hated for reasons I don't now recall.)

F-2) Very toasted oak, asphalt, gamey, bacon, no sweetness, acts more like a CdP, orange rind, tea, seems to have some age. Nobody's fessed up to a ringer but if there is one, this could a CdP. We all agreed the oak was an issue, but even this had such good everything else that this was pretty much everybody's #2. 2004 Chateau du Prieur from I didn't get which province. B-.

G-1) Nice balance, more modern but not sweet or toasty so we're not going to be too hard on it. C/C+. 2006 Chateau La Roque, Pic St. Loup.

G-2) Brett, asphalt, more complex on the nose than palate, bees wax, faintly musky like the St. Chinian. Not loving it. C-. 2005 Mas des Dames--again, didn't note province.

And finally two dessert wines:

H) 1986 Paulilieres Banyuls (750 ml): this is the first aged Banyuls I've had, and it's delightful beyond my expectations. (Too, something of a redeemer since my other two wines were such duds. :) ). Lavishly soft flavors of dried figs, plums, orange juice and rind, tea, a hint of papaya, and old paper. A.

I) 2006 Mas Blanc Banyuls (375 ml): Bright, grapey and young, hard for me to evaluate but offhand there's no reason this wine won't become the '86 someday.

Anyway, interesting exercise but unfortunately, it failed to win The Land of Yes any new fans.
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Rahsaan » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:14 pm

I'm also a fan of the Barral wines. I don't buy much from Southern France, but I've enjoyed everything from Barral and find them very inspiring.

That might also have been the most expensive/reputed of the competition? Not a fair fight.
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:15 am

Jenise, I think you will find this blog of interest!

http://www.tastelanguedoc.blogspot.com/
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Tim York » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:26 am

Jenise, please forgive me for picking a nit but Languedoc and Roussillon are not the same thing. It is true that for French political and administrative purposes Languedoc-Roussillon forms a single region but Victor de la Serna once took me to task when I pointed this out saying, correctly, that the cultures in the two places are very different (a lot of Catalan speaking in Roussillon) and that the wine characters are also different (more austerity in Languedoc and no well known sweet wines). There is a proposal around to create a merged appellation covering both entities but many people, including me, think this perverse because of the distinctiveness which Victor pointed out.

You don't seem to have been very lucky with your selection but probably that is a reflection of what is available. Only two, Oustal Blanc and Léon Barral, are on my radar screen and I find the former pretentiously priced.
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:24 am

You don't seem to have been very lucky with your selection but probably that is a reflection of what is available. Only two, Oustal Blanc and Léon Barral, are on my radar screen and I find the former pretentiously priced.


I agree with you Tim on the Oustal pricing!
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Tim York » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:25 pm

By coincidence, Jancis Robinson devotes her weekend FT article to Languedoc-Roussillon http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0b80041a-6f65 ... abdc0.html .

IMHO, there are some glaring omissions in her hit-parade of top Languedoc-Roussillon estates, e.g. Mas Jullien, Mas Champart, Clos Marie, Clos des Fées, all of which produce very fine wines.
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Re: WTN: The Dorks of York tackle Languedoc

by Jenise » Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:41 pm

Tim York wrote:By coincidence, Jancis Robinson devotes her weekend FT article to Languedoc-Roussillon http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0b80041a-6f65 ... abdc0.html .

IMHO, there are some glaring omissions in her hit-parade of top Languedoc-Roussillon estates, e.g. Mas Jullien, Mas Champart, Clos Marie, Clos des Fées, all of which produce very fine wines.


You're right. I wasn't actually expecting to be able to attend this one, so the effort I'd usually put out to procure beyond the limited local supplies I didn't do. Not sure what anyone else's excuse was. :)
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