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Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:41 am

Gathered some non-geek friends for a handful of oldies, all from a recently described visit to a friend’s father’s cellar.

1961 Nicolas Charenton Quarts de Chaume
Lovely orange gold, showing almonds, botrytis and very light, entirely age appropriate oxidation. Fruit still very much alive, decent acidity, some dishrag and citrus notes. Quite lovely, and a testament to the longevity of chenin, given that this is likely a so-so producer who has long since vanished. Kept getting better as it breathed, and was still quite alive after two hours.

1979 Louis Latour Corton Charlemagne
Oxidized. Poured a touch for everyone out of respect for what this must once have been, and to contrast with the light oxidation of the preceding.

2004 Domaine de Roally Viré Clessé 13.0%
Had this on standby in case the Latour was shot. Minerals and white flowers. Dense mouth feel, overripe, cloying sweetness, not enough acidity, some bitterness. As it breathed, the glass began to smell of cotton candy. A total disappointment compared to the 2002 Bongran Viré Clessé (made by Gauthier’s father, Jean Thévenet) from a few days ago.

1995 Leoville-Poyferré St. Julien 13.0%
Put this in a decanter two hours before the tasting but it smelled so good that I double decanted (strange that double decanting, instead of being more than decanting, is less). Cedar, graphite, plums and eucalyptus made for a heady cocktail. The follow up, however, was a let down. Still very tannic, in an unpleasantly grainy way, a bit hot, with residual bitterness. This needs another five years of charm school. But the multiple personality syndrome may never resolve. I dunno, maybe they should stop blending in Bordeaux.

1925 Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva
With hushed anticipation, opened right before serving, our grand old man of Europe. First aroma is, unbelievably, dill! Amazing that the American oak telltale can survive this long. The came other herbs, like rosemary, and a curious and pleasant grassiness. Totally sound in structure, with perhaps a touch more acid than fruit, but delicious. Eighty-five years old, unreal. Tasting not a day older than thirty five (in better shape than most reds I’ve tasted from the 1960s and 1970s). Easily the WOTN, even without senior citizen discounts.

1975 Ernst Jungkenn Rheinhessen Dienheimer Paterhof Siegerrebe und Huxelrebe Trockebeerenauslese
We began with a strange bird and ended with an even stranger one. This TBA was made from Siegerrebe and Huxelrebe which are, in turn, crosses between Madeleine Angevine & Gewurztraminer and Chasselas & Courtiller Musque, respectively (thanks, David). First shock was on pouring. It’s red! Botrytis and musty dishrag, the latter blowing off rapidly. Strong molasses taste, acidity not quite up to the sweetness, but lovely fruit. Can’t say I tasted any tertiary complexities that might justify the aging of wine made from these grapes, but still reverence-worthy.
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Tim York » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:02 am

Oswaldo, that is a real friend who offered you these bottles :) .

Old bottles are a lottery but, when they turn out like the Quarts de Chaume and the Riscal, they can be incredibly moving and evocative. Think of Spain's tormented history since 1925; putsches, left-leaning republic, civil war, right wing dictatorship into prosperous (until a couple of years ago) modern democracy.

Will the 95 clarets ever come round? There have been one or two encouraging reports lately but your Léoville sounds much like most others so far. I am sitting on an assorted 3 dozen and am getting increasingly anxious :? .
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by R Cabrera » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:51 am

I read with bated breath and excited anticipation, whenever someone describes the uncorking of a bottle, or bottles, from so very long ago. Then I think that I usually exhale with relief when they transpire the way they did in your case. I'm glad to read about that 85 year old Rioja. Thanks for the notes.

Just to add something that occurred to me:
The Riscal is the Reserva and not a Gran Reserva. It makes me wonder if there already was separate bottling back in those days.
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by Dale Williams » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:55 am

Wow, great notes, and I'm envious. I'd have expected the sweet wines to be at least good, but the Rioja doing so well is fantastic. Thanks for posting
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:46 am

Tim York wrote:Will the 95 clarets ever come round? There have been one or two encouraging reports lately but your Léoville sounds much like most others so far. I am sitting on an assorted 3 dozen and am getting increasingly anxious :? .


In the case of Léoville, some point to Rolland, who began there in 94.
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by Dale Williams » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:19 pm

Some will always point to Rolland! :)
I'm not a Rolland fan, but it's scarcely only his wines that are developing slowly/strangely in 95. Lots of odd development (doesn't mean they won't be good at some point). I really like the Angelus 95, probably my favorite 95, and I think Rolland was there.
Personally, I don't have the 95, but liked the LP 94 and 96 - definitely more modern than in past, but I really like. Then 99 was nice in a Cali kind of way. But by 2003 too much for me. Even though LP has some emotional resonance for me, I haven't bought since 2002 (and 1996 was last I loved)
I admit I get a kick out of seeing Mr Barde Haut channeling Nossiter. :)

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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:31 pm

Dale Williams wrote:I admit I get a kick out of seeing Mr Barde Haut channeling Nossiter. :)


Mean!!! As Lord Keynes once said, when a heckler after a speech complained that his position had changed: "when the facts change, I change; what do you do you do, sir?" Replace facts with tastes, and there you go! :lol:

PS: since I never think the ends justify the means, I dislike Nossiter's methods, but I empathize with his palate.
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Dale Williams » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:56 pm

I'm actually looking forward to trying the 06 Barde Haut, arriving tomorrow ($15). I don't mind modern Bordeaux, as long as it's priced reasonably. It's when it's priced like REAL Bordeaux I scream! :)
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Salil » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:58 pm

Do you also scream at the prices 'real' Bordeaux sells for these days though? ;)

(If not, I need to find out which producers you're looking at!)
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by Oswaldo Costa » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:10 am

Dale Williams wrote:I'm actually looking forward to trying the 06 Barde Haut, arriving tomorrow ($15). I don't mind modern Bordeaux, as long as it's priced reasonably. It's when it's priced like REAL Bordeaux I scream! :)


The 2004 BH is currently dead as a doornail, so you have to catch them young or wait a long time, like so many Bdx.
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Re: Golden oldies, inc. 1925 Rioja, 1961 QdC, 1975 TBA

by David M. Bueker » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:22 am

I've had one or two '95 Bordeaux that showed well. Clerc Milon is definitely starting to come around. I sense that they tried to get too much out of the '95, and that they will always be tannic (a la '75). 2002 is similar to 1995 to my taste, though with more harmony. There's 2000, 2001 and 2002 Leoville Poyferre in the cellar, so we'll see what happens.
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