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Lill and I had a whole bottle to ourselves. We each had a glass and the rest went into a wine / mushroom sauce for the pork tenderloin the next night.You're very brave in tasting the Numathia
Bill Buitenhuys wrote:Lill and I had a whole bottle to ourselves. We each had a glass and the rest went into a wine / mushroom sauce for the pork tenderloin the next night.You're very brave in tasting the Numathia
Bill Buitenhuys wrote:2000 Numanthia-Termes Termes (Toro)
$24. A Jorge Ordoñez wine imported by MRR Traders/Somerville, MA. 14.5%abv.
Black cherry Coke blended with a tablespoon of vanilla extract and a melted milk chocolate bar. It’s big. It’s gobby. It’s extremely rich and flavorful. It’s tannic. I’ll save the other bottle I have for Joe.
2001 Château La Roque Cupa Numismae Pic Saint Loup (Côteaux du Languedoc)
$20. Imp: KLWM 13.5% abv.
This is very good. Spiced plums and barnyard dirt are the predominant features accompanied by well balanced tannins and acidity with a spicy finish. Works with rosemary/thyme pork tenderloin.
Bill Buitenhuys wrote:2001 Château La Roque Cupa Numismae Pic Saint Loup (Côteaux du Languedoc)
$20. Imp: KLWM 13.5% abv.
This is very good. Spiced plums and barnyard dirt are the predominant features accompanied by well balanced tannins and acidity with a spicy finish. Works with rosemary/thyme pork tenderloin.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Bill Buitenhuys wrote:2000 Numanthia-Termes Termes (Toro)
$24. A Jorge Ordoñez wine imported by MRR Traders/Somerville, MA. 14.5%abv.
Black cherry Coke blended with a tablespoon of vanilla extract and a melted milk chocolate bar. It’s big. It’s gobby. It’s extremely rich and flavorful. It’s tannic. I’ll save the other bottle I have for Joe.
Last August when I had this, it was very accessable, Mark. Ya, it could easily develop more over the next few years but you arent baby killing if you opened it now.What do you think?
I haven't had the '04 Brun VV for a while (too hard to hold on to!) and from what I've been reading it's in a pretty yummy state right now. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the maturity of the 904.'04 Brun VV and a '90 La Rioja Alta 904
Bill Buitenhuys wrote:I haven't had the '04 Brun VV for a while (too hard to hold on to!) and from what I've been reading it's in a pretty yummy state right now. I'd be interested to hear your opinion on the maturity of the 904.'04 Brun VV and a '90 La Rioja Alta 904
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:50 pm
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Otto Nieminen wrote:You're very brave in tasting the Numathia. (...) essence of spoof.
Victor de la Serna wrote:And, as usual, you have no clue about which wines are spoofed or not, Otto. You should travel to the south (not necessarily the Bekaa Valley) more often and see for yourself.
Victor de la Serna wrote:Otto Nieminen wrote:You're very brave in tasting the Numathia. (...) essence of spoof.
He wasn't tasting Numanthis but Termes - the winery's third wine, basically available in the US only.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Victor de la Serna wrote:Otto Nieminen wrote:You're very brave in tasting the Numathia. (...) essence of spoof.
He wasn't tasting Numanthis but Termes - the winery's third wine, basically available in the US only.
And, as usual, you have no clue about which wines are spoofed or not, Otto. You should travel to the south (not necessarily the Bekaa Valley) more often and see for yourself.
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:35 pm
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Bill Buitenhuys wrote: Lill and I had a whole bottle to ourselves. We each had a glass and the rest went into a wine / mushroom sauce for the pork tenderloin the next night.
I sure would Bob, but I have no idea what I cooked for a sauce that night back in August I probably rehydrated some wild mushrooms and used the strained mushroom water with the leftover wine.Would you care to divulge?
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:50 pm
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David M. Bueker wrote:to many folks they are just awful stuff. Deal with it.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Victor de la Serna wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:to many folks they are just awful stuff. Deal with it.
I am dealing with it - I am in disagreement with that type of criticism in the case of a number of wines (not all, of course), including Termes, and I am expressing that disagreement in explicit terms. In my part of the world, that way of "dealing with it" is called free speech. I guess you'll have to deal with it.
Victor de la Serna wrote:I am dealing with it - I am in disagreement with that type of criticism in the case of a number of wines (not all, of course), including Termes, and I am expressing that disagreement in explicit terms. In my part of the world, that way of "dealing with it" is called free speech. I guess you'll have to deal with it.
Bill Buitenhuys wrote:I sure would Bob, but I have no idea what I cooked for a sauce that night back in August I probably rehydrated some wild mushrooms and used the strained mushroom water with the leftover wine.Would you care to divulge?
Victor de la Serna
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:50 pm
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David M. Bueker wrote:Your rep as an apologist for overextracted and overoaked wine preceeds you.
Victor de la Serna
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:50 pm
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Otto Nieminen wrote:informing me if I'm going on the wrong tracks with my reasoning is welcome, but flatly stating that I'm totally wrong and not bothering to say why and saying all of this with such a haughty tone I find unwelcome
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Victor de la Serna wrote:However, Otto, when you take on a wine like Termes you are, once again, hitting the wrong windmills, like a shortsighted Don Quixote. This is an entry-level wine with zero percent new oak (it gets old barrels from Numanthia, Termanthia, Sierra Cantabria and San Vicente) and its exuberance is not the product of some expensive witchcraft in the cellar by some enraged disciple of Michel Rolland's, but the reflection of a particularly hot, sunbaked, generous region called Toro and the deep-colored, dense tinta de Toro grapes. This is a region where the thermometer reaches 40ºC on dozens of days in July and August - one of the hottest wine-producing regions in the world. So if you want to be true to the region and its grapes, you harvest them at phenolic maturity and you make a wine like Termes.
David M. Bueker wrote:I guess Toro is a poor place to plant grapes...
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