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WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Saina » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:08 pm

A friend of mine recently moved from Lapland back to Helsinki so we met up for some steaks and a couple wines. Finding the right wines to share with him is always a bit of a challenge as our tastes could hardly be more different - he is a huge fan of Australian monsters and big Southern Rhônes.

But I thought I might try him out on a more elegant Southern Rhône, Texier - still within an area that he likes, but also a producer that I like very much. I was glad to see that he did seem to enjoy it. Texier St.-Gervais VV des Cadinières 2005 is a wine I have posted on so many times that perhaps one more note isn't needed. But I thought this was the loveliest it has ever been: previous bottles have shown that it could become a great wine; now it was a great wine. Nice dark fruit, savoury and lively and refreshing for Grenache but still with the typical warm, sweet fruit I expect of the grape. It isn't a heavy style at all. Lovely. If this is representative of its evolution, drink and hold.

Jussi opened a The Islander Estate Vineyards Bark Hut Rd 2004 a strange blend of 60% Cab. Sauv., 35% Shiraz and 5% Viognier from Kangaroo Island in S. Australia. This is one of Jacques Lurton's projects. It seems quite massive and clunky after the Texier - though Jussi had tried to select a wine more to my taste than most in his collection as this apparently is from a cool climate. After the initial super-massiveness calms down to only massiveness, I see a very strong perfumed, peachy aroma emerge - maybe a bit too much Viognier? Sweet. With even more air some tobacco/Cab aromas emerge. But it is all the time too clunky to bring true enjoyment to me. Gladly the oak (a third new French barrique IIRC) and the high alcohol (14% abv) aren't too noticeable. I have to admit that Jussi has opened up more interesting Ozzies with me before! But like I said, finding the common vinous ground can be difficult. But it was still very nice to meet up with him and his wife.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Chris Newport » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:18 pm

Thanks for the notes Otto, I have several bottles of the Texier and was planning on holding. A recent tasting at Chambers St. (as well as your note) has convinced me to open one up in the near future.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Jenise » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:40 pm

Otto, we had the '05 Texier Brezeme a few weeks ago. It was very much in the perfect place you mention your wine being, and an experience of the type Bob and I now refer to as a headbanger, as in giving one the desire to hit one's head on the wall and go "why oh why oh why don't I own more of this?"
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by mbassman » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:23 am

Are the texiers still heavy on sulfur and acid? I haven't bought any since my employer left the area near chambers, after 9/11. I've been through all my brezeme and other villages, but still have some chateauneuf and a bit of hermitage. They've all been rough going for the afore-mentioned reason. Sometimes the sulfur blows off after a day or two but then they hollow out. like I saidm rough going.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Jenise » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:36 pm

I have a short history with Texier wines, but there was no sulfur on my 05 Brezeme.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Cliff Rosenberg » Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:52 pm

mbassman wrote:Are the texiers still heavy on sulfur and acid? I haven't bought any since my employer left the area near chambers, after 9/11. I've been through all my brezeme and other villages, but still have some chateauneuf and a bit of hermitage. They've all been rough going for the afore-mentioned reason. Sometimes the sulfur blows off after a day or two but then they hollow out. like I saidm rough going.


No, there have been pretty big changes, since the late '90s. I find the wines more delicate, with greater finesse now. I tried the 05 at a CSW tasting not so long ago and thought it showed very closed. A more recent bottle had transformed itself. It had really opened up aromatically and put on weight, filling out nicely, from previous bottles.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Tony Fletcher » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:42 pm

mbassman wrote:Are the texiers still heavy on sulfur and acid? I haven't bought any since my employer left the area near chambers, after 9/11. I've been through all my brezeme and other villages, but still have some chateauneuf and a bit of hermitage. They've all been rough going for the afore-mentioned reason. Sometimes the sulfur blows off after a day or two but then they hollow out. like I saidm rough going.


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Good to see you (back?) here. There were, according to some notes I just looked up, some major acidity issues with Texier's Brezeme wine (100% Syrah) back in very late 90s/early 2000s; I remember it being quite the point of conversation and I equally recall being horrified by a young Brezeme VV from 2000. But when I opened another bottle two years ago it was showing beautifully. (see http://www.ijamming.net/?p=842.) My experience with his other Cotes du Rhones Villages was generally positive; I'm not sure I've tasted his Chateauneuf or Hermitage.

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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Bob Henrick » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:54 pm

mbassman wrote:Are the texiers still heavy on sulfur and acid? I haven't bought any since my employer left the area near chambers, after 9/11. I've been through all my brezeme and other villages, but still have some chateauneuf and a bit of hermitage. They've all been rough going for the afore-mentioned reason. Sometimes the sulfur blows off after a day or two but then they hollow out. like I saidm rough going.


The mbassman name here evokes another Bassman that was here some years ago. His first name was Mike, and I am wondering if you might be one and the same M Bassman. If so, then welcome back, and if not Welcome to the forum, we need all the posters we can get.
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Re: WTN: A lovely Texier and a not so interesting Ozzie

by Saina » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:51 am

mbassman wrote:Are the texiers still heavy on sulfur and acid? I haven't bought any since my employer left the area near chambers, after 9/11. I've been through all my brezeme and other villages, but still have some chateauneuf and a bit of hermitage. They've all been rough going for the afore-mentioned reason. Sometimes the sulfur blows off after a day or two but then they hollow out. like I saidm rough going.


I haven't tasted earlier ones because they became available here only from 2004/2005 vintages. He is using very little sulfur these days (IIRC only a little at bottling) so I don't think you will find that any more. They are still more acidic than other Rhônes we have had available but certainly not harshly so.
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