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WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:29 am

I was in Paris last week and had the pleasure of joining one of the local wine circles (the Très Grand Jury Parisien for those who know them from other wine boards) for their Christmas celebration/exploration of 2000 Châteauneuf-du-Pape. Now I don’t drink much Châteauneuf (only a few bottles since I last visited these folks a few years ago for their exploration of 1998 CdP), but I have an open mind and an eager palate!

We started with a bottle of 1996 Jacquesson Champagne which was pleasant enough for those who need bubbles. It was not completely ‘shot’ but it was sufficiently oxidized to be disturbing for my palate. A second bottle opened later was much fresher and more interesting, but still not all that interesting.

Pierre-Alain is a certified Leroy Booster so we then moved on to 2003 Richard Leroy Anjou Rouliers and 2003 Richard Leroy Anjou Noëls de Montbenault. Obviously the vintage was a challenge and the Rouliers was plagued with volatile acidity which made it near impossible to drink. The Montbenault was better, in the sense that it was not violently flawed. But it was still too soft and blobby to excite much enthusiasm and everyone was ready to sit down to dinner and start drinking red.

We began with truffle risotto and 2000 Pégau and 2000 Pierre André. The Pégau was deeply fruited (to say the least!) but was way too dark, heavy, and alcoholic for most of us at the table. The Pierre André was a perfect contrast because it was so fresh, delicate, and subtle. It was one of my favorite CdPs of the night. It was also my first exposure to the domaine so I didn’t have the perspective of other folks, who mentioned that they can be quite erratic across vintages. But, on this night, it was a lovely and welcome bottle of wine.

The main course was lièvre à la royale, which was apparently perfectly seasoned to go with the CdPs. I wouldn’t know because as a non-meat eater they prepared me porcini-stuffed potatoes, but those were also seasoned pretty darn well to match the wines. We started with 2000 Charvin and 2000 Ferrand which were both very pleasing wines. The Ferrand was nice, well-structured, with decent freshness, but it was tough to compete with the Charvin, so precise, long, intense, delicate, and it was very quickly emptied.

We then moved to the more expensive wines. Unfortunately, the 2000 Beaucastel had too much brett to convince anyone and the 2000 Clos des Papes had too much of everything to convince anyone. The Pégau was probably a ‘darker’ wine, but somehow this Clos des Papes managed to be a bigger blobbier mess. And the natives quickly began demanding better wine.

So Pierre-Alain raced to the cellar and came back with 2000 Marcoux and 2000 Vieux Donjon. We drank these with second servings of the main course and delightfully delicious Vacherin Mont d’Or. The Marcoux was fabulous, balanced, and a pleasure to drink (although detailed critical abilities were slowly/quickly beginning to fade). It didn’t take an expert to see that the Vieux Donjon was marked by weird vegetal notes so that never really found its audience.

We started the chocolate terrine and red pepper confiture with 2005 Gauby Rivesaltes Caricia and 1985 Graham’s Port. The Graham’s was in a moment of delicate harmony and was a perfect match with the dessert. The Gauby was a volatile mess than nobody wanted to drink so Pierre-Alain returned once more to the cellar and came back with 1997 Sandeman Port which was much younger and more aggressive but it did its job.

Various other drinks and single-malts began to circulate, but I had just a few tastes because I had to get up ‘early’ in the morning for work. But regardless of those pesky details, the night was a Châteauneufy success.
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Re: WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Clint Hall » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:27 pm

Rahsaan, what was the consensus: were the 2000 CdPs at a good drinking stage now, closed, young or whatever?
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Re: WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Jonathan Loesberg » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:53 pm

Clint Hall wrote:Rahsaan, what was the consensus: were the 2000 CdPs at a good drinking stage now, closed, young or whatever?


I'm not Rahsaan, but I've had all these wines except the Ferrand in the last year. The only one I think could use some more rest is the Pegau, which is still in its clunky stage, though to be fair, I don't think Pierre-Alain's group has ever liked that domaine. The 00 Clos des Papes is still pretty primary, though I liked it. I would be less surprised at this response if it were to a post-03 vintage. But the primariness may account for it. My Vieux Donjon does not show as vegetal and it makes me wonder about their bottle. It is on the young side of ready. Of the wines they tasted, my favorites for now would be the Charvin and the Marcoux.
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Re: WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Tim York » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:59 pm

Rahsaan, I've been to two or three tastings of a group which has been following the evolution of a number of 2000 CndPs. My WTNs should be in the archive. From memory the only overlaps with those tasted by you were Beaucastel and Clos des Papes. Beaucastel was showing more forwardly than in most vintages and I don't recall a brett problem but I know that brett is variable from bottle to bottle. Clos des Papes was reportedly a very strong performer when young but in the last two tastings I attended seemed to be falling apart; this could also be bad bottles.

I've never heard of Pierre André which sound like something to remedy.

I have often thought that CndP is not the sort of wine to appeal to general Parisian taste, which tends to prefer the brightly focussed and elegant to the dark fruited, full bodied and alcoholic. I wonder if some of the reactions on Pegaü and Clos des Papes, for example, were not influenced by that.

PS: I've just looked out my last year's TN and I see that it provoked a bit of discussion viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19061&p=163048&hilit=+quartz#p163048 .
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Re: WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:59 pm

Jonathan Loesberg wrote:The 00 Clos des Papes is still pretty primary, though I liked it.


I defer to all of you on these CdPs, as I don't drink the wines very often, but I also thought the Clos des Papes was showing primary and asked Pierre-Alain if he thought the awkward showing was just a function of the aging curve. He didn't think so. But, he could be wrong.

My Vieux Donjon does not show as vegetal and it makes me wonder about their bottle..


Really? Again, this was my first exposure to the wine but I am pretty sure the TGJP have had similar showings in the past and were even expecting it to show vegetal. Which made me wonder why he brought the bottle up in the first place, but he might have been running out of options for 2000 CdP. Or, just wanted to check to see if it had evolved.
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Re: WTN: Why am I drinking all this Châteauneuf?

by Rahsaan » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:09 pm

Tim York wrote:I've never heard of Pierre André which sound like something to remedy..


You should. Jonathan can give you more details on the domaine as this was the first one I've tried. But the TGJP folks were very positive about the domaine, apparently it has some of the oldest organically-treated vines in CdP, because they never switched over to industrial methods in the first place. From what I could tell the style tends towards elegant although apparently they can get quite ripe and lose balance in certain years.

I have often thought that CndP is not the sort of wine to appeal to general Parisian taste, which tends to prefer the brightly focussed and elegant to the dark fruited, full bodied and alcoholic. I wonder if some of the reactions on Pegaü and Clos des Papes, for example, were not influenced by that.


Not sure what you mean by 'Parisian' taste. Never mind the fact that most 'Parisians' are not even from Paris, but in my experiences there is quite a wide range of tastes based on all sorts of idiosyncratic personal palate factors.

At this table, we were 12 people, with origins all over France, and most of the preferences tended towards the southerly ripe wines. I was actually one of the few people defending the merits of red Burgundy. But, they didn't quite go all the way into Full-On Southerly Love, so you are right, it was clearly the palate preferences that shaped the responses to Pegau and Clos des Papes. Those wines definitely do well with people who like that sort of thing.

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