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David M. Bueker
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Victor de la Serna
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David M. Bueker
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Oliver McCrum
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Victor de la Serna wrote:Exactly, David. There are a number of code words - one is "fruit-driven", another one is "new oak" or even, more simply, "oak" - that were once totally positive for one crowd and have now become totally negative for a new crowd. Yet they are, in themselves, neither positive nor negative. They describe styles, techniques or winemaking tools that are favored both by conscientious, artisanal, terroir-respecting producers and by manipulators who make overdone monstrosities. Ms. Feiring has a tendency to tke refuge in code words. BTW, I sometimes suspect that she has little notion of viticulture – her comments on alcohol content seem to imply that high-alcohol wines are always the product of the growers' whims and not of climate, vineyard and grape variety conditions. Obviously, "high alcohol" is now another one of those code words, or code expressions…
David M. Bueker
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Ian Sutton
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Oliver McCrum
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David M. Bueker wrote:Oliver,
She still paints with too broad a brush. If she is going to do that she might as well admit the truth: 95% of all the wine IN THE WORLD is crap. Only 5% (or less?) is something we would even consider criticising or heaven forbid, drinking.
David M. Bueker
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Bob Henrick
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Victor de la Serna
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Oliver McCrum wrote: And yes, this is a decision that winemakers make; there have been articles in Wine Business Monthly by a grower discussing this phenomenon (ie wineries requesting fruit picked at extremely high Brix, and the problems caused by this for growers).
Brian K Miller
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David M. Bueker
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Brian K Miller wrote:Overall, though...fruit forward IS a perjorative to me, generally
Brian K Miller
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ChefJCarey
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Dale Williams
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Dale Williams
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Mark Noah wrote:Kind of like Elin McCoy writing a book about Parker without any authorization (subject-wise)to do so. Hasn't done much for her; won't do much for Feiring. Feiring at least has some writing skills although not very good at content. Maybe the two of them should get together.
JC (NC)
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