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WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Bill Spohn » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:04 am

Notes from a blind tasting of Syrah/Shiraz.

2001 Dageneau Pur Sang Blanc de Fume de Pouilly (mag.) – what a nice way to kick things off. Reasonably sweet fruit after a citrus scented nose, refreshing.

2005 Dom. Fondreche ‘Persia’ Cote de Ventoux – a high end Ventoux (wouldn’t that have been meaningless not so many years ago?). Clean mineral nose decent flavour concentration and length.

2003 Tardieu Laurent Crozes Hermitage Vielles Vignes – I have always enjoyed TL wines, but have observed that those who drink them too early (that is about 90% of those that buy them) note objectionable levels of wood in the wines. Surprisingly that was not the case here. Nice smoky Syrah nose, subtle pepper, smooth and fairly sweet on palate, the oak already well integrated. In fact I was amazed at how forward this wine was and feel it won’t be one that lasts long – drink up and enjoy. Wish some of the late 1990s Rasteau and Vacqueyras was drinking as well now!

2003 Courbis ‘Les Royes’ St. Joseph – nicely perfumed nose, well built wine with good structure and a nice persistence in the finish.

2005 Sequel Syrah (Columbia Valley) – a Log Shadows guest winemaker gig done in this case by John Duval, former winemaker at Grange. Hint of pepper (all these were surprisingly low on the expected pepper) but this nose was a bit backward despite extensive open time. Sweet in the mouth with reasonable balance, fair acidity, and still with a good whack of tannin. None of the bacon or blackberry I expected (once I knew what this was). Nose didn’t change much as long as had it in my glass. Well made, just not expressive on this occasion.

1996 Chave Offerus St. Joseph – this one started well with a nose of wet stone and slightly funky fruit and iron/blood, and the entry was OK, but it went quickly downhill from there to a narrow acidic finish with no fruit. We couldn’t decide if it was simply over the hill or flawed.

2005 Cedar Creek Syrah – nice that BC be represented. Straight forward Syrah nose with some spice and floral notes and a young rather simple quaffable wine, well made and it will possibly improve and gain a bit of complexity with a couple of years in the bottle.

2004 Delas Crozes Hermitage ‘Le Clos’ – light on colour, a slightly warm simple fruit and floral nose, with ironically insufficient fruit on palate to maintain interest. I didn’t find this terribly varietally specific, a surprise for a wine like this. The BC wine beat this out.

1995 Havens Syrah (Carneros) – I was pleased at how this showed as I always enjoy a ringer. It had iron, floral (someone suggested clover) and a touch of merde in the nose, acting very European. Excellent length with black pepper at the end, a tad hot, it did a great job of aping a Rhone. It still has good tannins and will last a few more years, but I believe it has peaked. The fruit-driven nose it exhibited in earlier years would not have worked nearly as well as a ringer.

1998 Kay’s Amery Vineyard McLaren Vale Shiraz – mint, anise, blood and cherries in the nose. Fairly sweet in the mouth and no doubt about where it originated, but not over the top. Nice wine now at peak and will hold.

2002 Simon Hackett McLaren Vale Shiraz – dark wine with a sweet nose with some tar, but well balanced in the mouth and not too sweet r jammy, with a slight mintiness at the end.

2000 Dom. Remizieres Hermitage Cuve Emilie – you knew you were right back in the Rhone with one sniff of this one. Black pepper, anise, and vanilla made for a tasty nose, and the wine was almost elegant on palate, medium bodied and well developed. Good now and will hold for years. I have the 1998 which will last longer than this vintage, but this one drinks well now.

1991 Grange Hermitage – very interesting to taste this wine at this age as I normally drink Grange with at least 20 years on it (not that I get to do that very often, mind you!). Huge waft of American oak was the first impression, and I narrowed it down to either California or Australia, but it wasn’t by any means an easy choice between those two options. We figured we’d stumbled into a Bourbon distillery when we smelled this. Digging a little brought up some coffee, tar and anise notes, and the wine was big and full bodied without being overblown on palate. Dry slightly smoky finish. I was pretty surprised when told this was Grange, as I would not have believed it would be this developed at this age – it was quite forward for Grange.

Seppelts Grand Muscat DP63 (Rutherglen) – obviously a liqueur Muscat, typically overbearingly sweet in both nose and in the mouth. Would not win the award for dessert wine subtlety, but a decent example of its kind.
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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Ian Sutton » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:45 am

As the only vintage of Grange we have, thanks for the note. I guess it's getting towards the right time to open it and will likely find an excuse - sometime over the next 5-10 years

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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Jenise » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:16 pm

My notes:

2001 Dageneau Pur Sang How cool of Rasoul to bring this. You captured it well, and I would add that it has loads of acid and should continue to mature nicely.

2005 Dom. Fondreche ‘Persia’ I was quite taken with this 100% roussanne wine: dusty nose with baby powder, soft yellow fruit and white flowers on the palate. Distinctively different from any white wine I've had lately.

2003 Tardieu Laurent Crozes Hermitage Vielles Vignes – Smoky, perfumed, great balance. Didn't get the green olives I normally associate with Crozes, but that's probably the vintage. Very nice.

2003 Courbis ‘Les Royes’ St. Joseph – fleshy, toned fruit and low tannins suggests the 03 vintage, and it was. The wine reminds you of the many who called this vintage "Californian"--this wine was.

2005 Sequel Syrah, Washington I didn't take notes since David had me on my knees in the kitchen :). But yeah, what you said. What you said. I'll add that it doens't have the phenomenal power of the 03, was more vanilla and velvet. Not, to my mind, a change to the good, but I'm not unhappy to have a lot more of this, either.

1996 Chave Offerus St. Joseph – Loved, loved, loved the nose. I understand the complaints about the palate, but tangy, necrotic noses like this enchant me, so I enjoyed it anyway.

2005 Cedar Creek Syrah – Fresh, young and brite, on the lighter side but in a good way. I was quite impressed with this wine--probably would drink more syrah than I do (as compared to pinot noir, that is) if there were more lighter bodied syrahs of this style.

2004 Delas Crozes Hermitage ‘Le Clos’ – Fab nose exceeds the palate, polished, no obvious oak, burnt rubber, great complexity. Drinks well now but will reward further cellaring.

1995 Havens Syrah (Carneros) – Great wine, Bill. Beautiful nose with just about everything good syrah can show with roasted meat, violets, even a little garrique. You took a vote at table for French vs. American, and I unhesitatingly voted French. Had me completely fooled.

1998 Kay’s Amery Vineyard McLaren Vale Shiraz peppery, black currant fruit, condensed milk, mint and burnt caramel. Definitely Aussie, and showed true to it's vintage. Very good.

2002 Simon Hackett McLaren Vale Shiraz – Big and balanced. Black currant and berry, mint, cactus pear and a metallic edge that those who have raised children identified as zinc.

2000 Dom. Remizieres Hermitage Cuvee Emilie – Can't improve on your description.

1991 Grange Hermitage – I guess I was too clever bringing two wines made by John Duval, because you didn't even mention it. :) But hey, I loved how this was showing right now. The bourbon barrel nose was cool, also found mint, a hint of eucalyptus and just about every red and black berry grown on this planet. I loved everything about it, and was impressed (because I had totally feared the latter) that after ten other terrific examples of fine syrahmaking, that this wine be a naked emporer. It wasn't; rather, it proved why Grange is Grange.

Seppelts Grand Muscat DP63 (Rutherglen) – obviously a liqueur Muscat, typically overbearingly sweet in both nose and in the mouth. Would not win the award for dessert wine subtlety, but a decent example of its kind.[/quote]
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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Jenise » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:26 pm

Bill, meant to add, the main reason I brought the Grange? For Bruce, who I knew had never had one. Btw, when is his birthday, if you know?
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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Bill Spohn » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:40 pm

Jenise wrote:Bill, meant to add, the main reason I brought the Grange? For Bruce, who I knew had never had one. Btw, when is his birthday, if you know?


April 1.

And that Grange was more forward than most. Sorry I forgot to mention winemaker.
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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Marc D » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:56 pm

Bill and Jenise, thanks for the notes. A very interesting tasting comparing syrah from all over, I enjoyed reading it.

I don't have a lot of experience with Dagenau Pur Sang, but recently had the opportunity to try the 2004 and the 2002. I much preferred the younger wine which had nearly perfect acidity and was very expressive. The 02 seemed like a dulled down version in comparison. I wonder if there is any advantage to aging them? It is academic to me as the price has pushed them out of my buying range.

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Re: WTN: Syrah and Shiraz

by Jenise » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:31 pm

Marc D wrote:I don't have a lot of experience with Dagenau Pur Sang, but recently had the opportunity to try the 2004 and the 2002. I much preferred the younger wine which had nearly perfect acidity and was very expressive. The 02 seemed like a dulled down version in comparison. I wonder if there is any advantage to aging them? It is academic to me as the price has pushed them out of my buying range.

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Understood about the academic part. I'm not buying Pur Sangs either, but I'm glad Rasoul had this. He's an amazing guy. Only 23 years old, and he's been drinking world class wines since he was like, 2, and yet he's not a snob--delightful company, and an amazing palate. You never know what he's going to show up with. Which leads me to admitting that I don't have the experience to comment on the worthwhileness of aging these wines except to say that even among so-called ageable sauvignon blancs, outside of the world of white Bordeaux my experience has been like yours--given a choice, I typically prefer the younger wines. Aging, while accomplishing other things, reduces most of the bright pretty flavors I find so attractive.
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