Craig Pinhey
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Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:19 pm
Rothesay, New Brunswick, Canada
Lizbeth S wrote:Paulo-
The Wine & Spirits on 19th and Chestnut has had the '99 Chateau Musar since about October. But I think it was $49 when I bought it back then!
James Dietz
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
James Dietz wrote:For anyone who likes Bordeaux, I don't see how one could not like these.
James Dietz
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:45 pm
Orange County, California
Rahsaan wrote:James Dietz wrote:For anyone who likes Bordeaux, I don't see how one could not like these.
I think it's more about VA and Brett than Bordeaux. No?
James Dietz wrote:Rahsaan wrote:James Dietz wrote:For anyone who likes Bordeaux, I don't see how one could not like these.
I think it's more about VA and Brett than Bordeaux. No?
I've never experienced that...
Rahsaan wrote:James Dietz wrote:For anyone who likes Bordeaux, I don't see how one could not like these.
I think it's more about VA and Brett than Bordeaux. No?
Nigel Groundwater wrote:Rahsaan wrote:James Dietz wrote:For anyone who likes Bordeaux, I don't see how one could not like these.
I think it's more about VA and Brett than Bordeaux. No?
As somebody who began drinking Musar over 30 years ago [when it was quite Bordeaux like] and then recently had a long gap without one until the 99, I would agree that later Musars in particular seem to have had significant VA and, usually, some brett. They have always been variable.
And these days if I was going to look for a French regional comparison I would say Rhone or South of France rather than Bordeaux. Some of the grapes in the blend [Cinsault and Carignan with the Cabernet Sauvignon in the 99] would suggest that too.
I have bought and drunk 3 bottles of the 99 in the last 6 months [for between $20-25] and enjoyed them all with less variability than often experienced. For me the defining experience comes from the aromatics and the high-toned aspect which seems to me to be mainly from the VA. Good to hear that others have enjoyed this pretty quirky wine.
The 2000 is now available here at a similar price but I haven't tried it yet.
It is one of the very few wines where I can honestly say that the VA is not an immediate turn-off and I have really enjoyed the old roses smell from the 99 after time in the glass.
Where is Otto? Musar specialist and aficionado extraordinaire.
Otto Nieminen wrote:The '99 rocks! I find Musar to be lifted in aromatics rather than full blown VA. Of course, the lifted aromatics are caused by VA, but there are degrees to to it, and the degrees I find it in Musar are very enjoyable. Tolerances differ (just like with brett) so I can understand some might find the volatility of the wine off-putting. I like Madeiras, too, so I guess I am pretty much immune to VA.
I don't really like to play the game of "Musar tastes like x and x", though I understand that when faced with something new it is useful to compare it with the known. But I think Musar is unique, though it does show elements that I find in other areas. FWIW, old style Rioja, with its oxidative, red toned aromas are near to Musar; but so is S. Rhône because of the sweet and spicy elements; so is Bordeaux because cabernet aromatics can at times be forward; etc. ad inf. It is a kaleidoscopic wine.
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