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WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Brian K Miller » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:49 am

Big wine weekend-tastings and more. .

Terroir Wine Bar continues to rock!

Had my first Vouvray tonight-a 1994 Phillipe Foreau Moelleux. As my first Vouvray, I don't know if this is a good example or not, but I certainly found it fascinating. Wow. Had no idea people drunk whites this old (other than Rieslings). This was quite unique and very new to my experience-my very first transluscent orange white wine! Definitely interesting to see what oxidation does to older French whites. As I mentioned, great and weird orange color. A great deal of good refershing acidity remains-more than I would expect. Flavors of caramel, citrus, peach with a very savory note on the palate. Very good and very interesting. Purchased one bottle.

Another first: My first Cot: 2004 Thierry Puzelat KO "In Cot We Trust" Touraine AOC Cutesy name aside, and after just a tiny sample, this wine was a rustic blast of earthy and savory flavor, with a nice hit of black fruit. Purple color. Lots of sediment, too. Filter this beauty. Very interesting and excellent.

And...my love for Cru Beaujolais continues, with a lovely dark earthy rich mouthful of blackberry fruit and savory notes from the 2005 Christophe Pacalet Chiroubles. Yum! Delicious now. No need to wait, although Stephane recommended decanting to allow the fizz to settle down.

Also sampled another half glass of Chateau le Puy Cotes de Francs. I like this wine ervy time I've tried it. Soft tannins, but in no way sweet or Napa-esque, this is a darker and earthier wine by far. No need to cellar this one (especially given the lack of sulfur)

Other wines this weekend: Sequoia Grove 2004 Syrah (Stagecoach Vineyard). I continue to love this wine. Very dark earthy fruit, a nice blast of black pepper and meaty notes. Not from a cool climate at all, really, but boy this is not a fruit bomb. Not made to age, the tannins are pretty soft. But, at $20 (club price), I would rather drink this than many more expensive Napa Syrahs.

2000 William Harrison Cabernet Franc (Estate Grapes) A mixed review for me. On the positive side-this had a beautiful blast of dark berry fruit. There were the green pepper notes, but only wafting through on the finish and not dominating at all-just adding complexity. Very smooth, the tannins have been well resolved. What was interesting was how the wine evolved and opened, becoming darker and richer.

On the negative-24 months on French Oak. That's just too long!! Luckily, the fruit was good enough, and myh friends enjoyed it. Good overall, but why do Napa winemakers love their oak so darn much? There is bottle variation, with some bottles showing less oaky!
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Rahsaan » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:05 am

Brian K Miller wrote:Had no idea people drunk whites this old (other than Rieslings).


I imagine they mentioned this at Terroir, but chenin blanc from the Loire easily ages 20-30 years in good vintages, and in great vintages can go for 50-100 years. (People are still enjoying the 47s and 21s).

Vouvrays are often "relatively" approachable in youth (some say it is related to the limestone, but I'm no geologist), but Loire chenin blanc from further west in Savennieres often needs 10-15 years to become approachable.
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Brian K Miller » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:37 am

Rahsan: Someone mentioned the 1947!

Can't wait to see what my friends say about his one, it's just so different, yet delicious!

I am certainly enjoying a lot of Loire wines lately!
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Bill Buitenhuys » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:54 am

Nice notes, Brian. It sure is fun exploring the many expressions of Loire chenin.
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Dale Williams » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:05 am

Thanks for notes.
Did you note year on Bordeaux?
As others note, Vouvray- especially dessert ones like this- can age 50-100 years. Although with a '94 now is probably a good time. Foreau is a very good producer.
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Brian K Miller » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:40 pm

Dale Williams wrote:Thanks for notes.
Did you note year on Bordeaux?
As others note, Vouvray- especially dessert ones like this- can age 50-100 years. Although with a '94 now is probably a good time. Foreau is a very good producer.
Sorry-it's a very young wine, 2004. No sulfur, biodynamic production, mostly merlot.
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Re: WTN: My First Vouvray and more "Natural" Wines

by Bill Hooper » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:42 am

Brian K Miller wrote:Had my first Vouvray tonight-a 1994 Phillipe Foreau Moelleux. As my first Vouvray, I don't know if this is a good example or not, but I certainly found it fascinating. Wow. Had no idea people drunk whites this old (other than Rieslings). This was quite unique and very new to my experience-my very first transluscent orange white wine! Definitely interesting to see what oxidation does to older French whites. As I mentioned, great and weird orange color. A great deal of good refershing acidity remains-more than I would expect. Flavors of caramel, citrus, peach with a very savory note on the palate. Very good and very interesting. Purchased one bottle.


Nice, Brian! Not a bad wine for an introduction. The only problem is that you have a very high bar with which to judge the rest. They're not all that good! Keep going though.
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