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Food and Wine as an excercise in Symbolism

by MattThr » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:11 am

Hi,

I was struck by a sudden thought last night on the topic of food and wine matching, a subject which, being a vegetarian, I am not at all knowledgeable.

It occurs to me that there is, in the UK at least, a something of a cult mindset which says kind of says that wine is the "proper" thing to drink with a meal, and that having a bottle with your food will greatly enhance the respectability and romance of the occasion. You can see this attitude carried to its zenith by the fact you can get a wine list in most Indian and Thai restaurants where the style of cuisine on offer makes a very poor match with wine indeed.

However it seems to me that this is generally a really bad idea to hold as a generic rule. Depending on what you're eating then a beer, cider or lager of some sort might be a better bet. Even if you've got something on the table that has the potential to go with wine then the chances are that most people, who pick wine on a varietal/producer they like rather than the food match, will have picked a bad wine. If it's a fairly cheap wine then the chances are that it might well not match anything you could serve. The result is that the enjoyment of both wine and meal are slightly reduced.

I assume this mindset has come about because upper-class people, who have intentionally or unintentionally dictated the "proper" way to behave and who can afford the time and money to match the very best wines with what they eat, tend to have wine with a meal. It's thus become the accepted "posh" way of doing things. But the more I consider it, the more it seems an extraordinarily bad idea.

Is there any truth in this? If so, is it something that we, as wine enthusiasts, ought to be making some effort to correct?
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Re: Food and Wine as an excercise in Symbolism

by Bruce K » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:12 am

For me and, I suspect, for most if not all of the other people on this board, the decision about what to drink with a meal isn't about what's "proper" -- it's about what we like. It's not about status or symbolism -- it's about enjoyment. Pure and simple. As it should be.
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Re: Food and Wine as an excercise in Symbolism

by wrcstl » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:55 am

MattThr wrote:Hi,

I was struck by a sudden thought last night on the topic of food and wine matching, a subject which, being a vegetarian, I am not at all knowledgeable.

It occurs to me that there is, in the UK at least, a something of a cult mindset which says kind of says that wine is the "proper" thing to drink with a meal, and that having a bottle with your food will greatly enhance the respectability and romance of the occasion. You can see this attitude carried to its zenith by the fact you can get a wine list in most Indian and Thai restaurants where the style of cuisine on offer makes a very poor match with wine indeed.


Matt,

The fact that you are a vegetarian has nothing to do with matching food with any drink. As a vegetarian the wine match, if it is wine, may be more whites than red but the sauce on the food is what really dictates the match. I also do not think this is a "find the best wine" as much as it is find the best drink that accompanies the food. Beer is always my choice with spicey tex-mex and probably best with Indian food. I really don't think of this as being a "snob" thing but just trying to get flavors to match. Just as I would not want to have serve a spicey jalepeno sauce with a light fish, I would not want to drink a zinfandel with the same light fish dish. Now, if the wine is indeed bad, it doesn't matter what food it is served with. More and more we select a wine to match what we are having for dinner. For this reason I find myself buying more PNs and less Cabernet based wines.
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Re: Food and Wine as an excercise in Symbolism

by Covert » Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:16 am

MattThr wrote:Is there any truth in this? If so, is it something that we, as wine enthusiasts, ought to be making some effort to correct?


I think it is indeed proper for the lower rung of the upper class to serve wine with dinner, any dinner; but not for the top rung, which does not need to prove anything to anybody. Wine enthusiasts, on the other hand, are not obligated to be proper. I would say that the eponymous magazine is the lowest class of any wine magazine I have perused.
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Re: Food and Wine as an excercise in Symbolism

by Ian Sutton » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:05 pm

For me, in a restaurant, it's about finding something I'd like to drink that should be a fair match and that I won't feel like I've been completely fleeced on. Sadly too often, a glass or jug of water fits that profile best :(

I'll certainly take an overpriced 'commercial' bottle of beer over an overpriced 'commercial' bottle of wine. It's typically the difference between paying £2 over retail and £8 over retail.

With curry, what about a refreshing yoghurt drink?

Yes, I suspect your premise that wine is the 'appropriate' drink forces a lot of people into paying over the odds for poor wines.

I'm sounding very cynical tonight!

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