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Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Dave C » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:35 am

Well not 'green' wine exactly - but a 'green' bottle.

I picked up this bottle of wine at the store to read what it's 'green' credencial were to find it was the bottle itself - it's made of some kind of plastic.

Not tried the wine yet - hope that doesn't taste 'plastic' - cost by the way 5 UKPs ($10) which I would guess would have cost 6 UKPs ($12) in a glass bottle.

EDIT - should have said it's Wolf Blass wine (14%)


(also mentioned on the 'ning' site' )

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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Paul Winalski » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:05 pm

Glass is recyclable. Far more so than plastic.

What about this wine and its packaging is supposed to be exceptionally "green"?

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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Peter May » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:07 pm

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Is this a bulk wine bottled in the UK or Europe? And what is the closure?

There was a lot of stuff in the press when Sainsbury & Tesco put some wines in PET bottles in the summer. Sainsbury reverted to glass after 3 months 'for the winter'.

Some question about turnover and leaving wine in PET for too long. But Tesco are committed to cutting weight by 25%
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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Peter May » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:10 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:Glass is recyclable. Far more so than plastic.

What about this wine and its packaging is supposed to be exceptionally "green"?



Its reduced weight.

Recycling wine bottles is a major problem in UK. We import million of green wine bottles from all over the worldand there is no demand for green glass within the UK so it nearly all is exported again to be recycled.
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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Dave C » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:53 pm

Peter May wrote:Dave

Is this a bulk wine bottled in the UK or Europe? And what is the closure?

There was a lot of stuff in the press when Sainsbury & Tesco put some wines in PET bottles in the summer. Sainsbury reverted to glass after 3 months 'for the winter'.

Some question about turnover and leaving wine in PET for too long. But Tesco are committed to cutting weight by 25%


Peter

On the back label Bottled for Foster's - EMEA London

Also it is a screw cap - and worringly it says 'Best Before May 2008' which since I only bought it today 29th Jan '08 means only a 3 month 'drinking window'

That seems very short? I would have expected it to say at least to the 'End of 2008'

I suppose as others have said - weight - as part of the transpost costs must play a big part in it's 'greeness'

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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Steve Slatcher » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:31 pm

Plastic bottles let oxygen through, which is why there is such a short best-before date. Wineboxes are similarly bad, but apparently tetrapacks are better.
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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Bill Hooper » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:33 pm

The bottle says 'unbreakable'. Hmmm. Sounds like a dare to me.
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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Mark Lipton » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:44 pm

Steve Slatcher wrote:Plastic bottles let oxygen through, which is why there is such a short best-before date. Wineboxes are similarly bad, but apparently tetrapacks are better.


Not all polymers are that oxygen permeable. At least for the bag-in-a-box one could use a PTFE (Teflon) liner that would exclude oxygen to an acceptable degree.

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Re: Another inovation - 'green' wine?

by Steve Slatcher » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:26 am

Mark Lipton wrote:
Steve Slatcher wrote:Not all polymers are that oxygen permeable. At least for the bag-in-a-box one could use a PTFE (Teflon) liner that would exclude oxygen to an acceptable degree.

Maybe my information is out of date, but I read that bag-in-box solutions rely on the aluminium layer to exclude oxygen. And that that does not work perfectly because it cracks when the bag crumples. I suppose economic factors play a big role in choice of materials - the producers probably reckon on the boxes being sold and used quickly anyway.

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