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WTN: Bordeaux

by Bill Spohn » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:18 am

Bordeaux dinner notes:

2001 Carbonnieux – great way to start with a white. Light colour, nose had a lot of citrus but also deeper floral notes, and in the mouth, well balanced and good length. No rush here.

1970 Gruaud Larose – a wine not well received by the critics, but I think they under rate it. This one was showing pale edges, a delightfully correct nose still with good fruit, some tannin and lots of acidity. It presented like a wine, maybe 10 year younger. It has finally come around – if you have them, time to open the. Rasoul – if you have another bottle let me know and I’ll pull a 1975 (which wasn’t yet ready when I last tried it.)

1986 Beychevelle – this was much too soft to readily identify itself as a 1986, even though many of the wine from that hitherto hard vintage have been showing signs of softening up recently. It had a bit of brett in the nose, which surprised me, and some cherry notes underneath that, and was nice and juicy in the mouth, with soft tannin, finishing a little short. Not a bad performance.

2005 Blackwood Lane Aliance – I don’t recall just where in the order we tasted this BC Bordeaux style wine (I keep my notes on interlopers on a separate page) but there was no way it came across as a Bordeaux. It showed a definite coconut sweet nose with American oak and some dill, and was sweet in the mouth, ripe, and not a bad showing for a local wine. 60% CS, 29% M, 11% CF

2000 Lanessan – this unassuming Medoc wasn’t showing much in the nose,. In the mouth the tannins were largely resolved but with time in the glass the fruit faded and the tannins became more evident. Not sure what is happening here, but I’ll try to remember to try one in a year or so. Looking at my own list I have 1995 that I should dig out ASAP and 1978 that should have been dug out a log time ago, alas.

1976 Grand Puy Lacoste – a hint of kiddie’s vinyl pool in the nose, but also good fruit, an elegant wine, very presentable, obviously at the end of life, but still kicking, which is more than I’d have given credit for before tasting it. Pleasant. I have drunk up almost all of my 1976s as they peakes some time ago.

1993 La Mission Haut Brion – I always bring old wines (most of the group has younger cellars than mine) so I decided to bring a young wine from a vintage I figured they wouldn’t be familiar with, nor be expecting. Cocoa in the nose, with vanilla and currant, sweet entry, dark fruit and good balance with largely resolved tannins and a decently long finish. No rush and better than I’d thought it might show.

1976 Lascombes – less interesting than the other ‘survivor’ 76, with a tomato nose, obviously fully mature although some remaining tannin, and not too much happening on palate. Pleasant in a forensic sort of way. I don’t recall tasting this in youth, so I don’t know what it was like with higher fruit levels. Still, too good to declare DOA.

1990 Gruaud Larose – still fairly youthful, with wet stones and dark fruit in the nose, and lots of chocolate, cedar and a soupcon of spearmint. More or less medium bodied, at least as far as the normally corpulent Gruaud goes, with a medium tannin, low acid profile that made it very tasty now. Perhaps hitting plateau with many years ahead.

1996 Doisy Vedrines – a discussion of whether this was a Sauternes or a Barsac ensued with myself and another person averring firmly that it was a Barsac, and the others waffling (we were right). Interesting wine, as beyond a whiff of botrytis, it had the profile of a lighter but very pleasant desert wine – some suggested (rather aptly, I thought) that it was like an Alsatian SGN wine. Light in colour and weight, it was smooth on the tongue and had good balance and length. Very pleasant to drink, if not quite what one expects, at least in the first instance, in a Barsac I quite liked this.
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Re: WTN: Bordeaux

by wrcstl » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:53 am

Bill,
Thanks for the data points as I have the '86 Beychevelle and the '90 Gruaud but have not opened a bottle for many years. I find Lascombs, for some reaason, a wine that just never seems to totally die. The 1970s are drinking well now. They did something right 25+ years ago but do not know if they are still doing it.
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Re: WTN: Bordeaux

by OW Holmes » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:57 am

Thanks for the notes, Bill. Strange about the '00 Lanessan. Maybe just shutting down? Too bad you couldn't get a taste a day or two later. Looking forward to your note on teh '95, but I'm guessing you will think it still too young.
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Re: WTN: Bordeaux

by Bill Spohn » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:58 am

OW Holmes wrote:Thanks for the notes, Bill. Strange about the '00 Lanessan. Maybe just shutting down? Too bad you couldn't get a taste a day or two later. Looking forward to your note on teh '95, but I'm guessing you will think it still too young.


If I can find that bottle of 78 to open with it..... :D
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Re: WTN: Bordeaux

by Jenise » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:53 pm

Bill, my notes:

With mixed greens, slivered beets and goat cheese:

2001 Carbonnieux - showing well/right for it's age with good fruit, herb tones and asparagus. Delish.

With carpaccio of bison tenderloin and truffle aioli:

1970 Gruaud Larose – a nice showing, with those leathery potpourri flavors mature Gruauds have. Good acidity keeps it lively. I could have made a whole evening out of THAT dish and THAT bottle.

With a cream of onion and thyme soup:

1986 Beychevelle – Mild brett dominated the first sniffy sniffs but soon blew off revealing a floral, St. Emilion-like nose and candied cherry fruit. Didn't have the heft expected of an 86, or even at first the age--at first, most of us thought late 90's. It aged by the minute, which was rather fun, and I think we ran out of wine before we got the whole show. No sediment whatsoever.

With clever little individual cassoulets of cannelini bean, chorizo, duck and pork:

2005 Blackwood Lane Aliance – Very Washington-state like with big juicy black fruit on the nose, coconut milk and a hint of Joy dish soap, broad blueberry midpalate and juicy finish. No surprise when it turned out to be Canadian. Well made by a new producer headquartered just outside Vancouver in Langley from Black Sage (Okanagan) fruit. Drinks very well now.

2000 Lanessan – Dusty cherry licorice fruit with a dash of salt, juicy. I had a bottle of this years ago and pretty much on release, and remember it well for being substantially lighter than I expect of Bordeaux (let alone a vintage like 2000) but highly aromatic. Wouldn't have recognized this bottle from that earlier experience--it's put on quite a bit of weight.

With mushroom risotto:

1976 Grand Puy Lacoste – I didn't get your vinyl note, but found good leathery aged Bordeaux fruit with a bit of cedar. Red color belies its age at first. Interesting that thought there was no sign of tannins whatsoever when I drank my portion, later I got to taste Rasoul's glass, and the wine had gained both tannins and some spicey complexity. We drank our pours too soon.

I failed to get an accurate description of this dish from the chef, but I'd call it roasted salmon saltimboca and red wine sauce:

1993 La Mission Haut Brion – Dark red and black fruit with a savoury soy element and chocolate through the finish. Quite sweet, but very balanced and enjoyable.

With braised venison in a red wine demi glace on polenta:

1976 Lascombes – canned tomato, dried plums, wet fall leaves, purple-hued, sweet fruit, surprisingly good tannins and acidity, perfumey. The flavors brightened with time in the glass, like it got younger, the opposite of the Beycheville's progression. Judging by your comments I liked this better than you did, but of course I was grateful that it showed anything at all considering the condition of the cork (which came out in 50 pieces). It was a particularly good match for the venison.

With hangar steak and garlic mashed potatoes:

1990 Gruaud Larose – can't improve on your description.

With biscotti and cheeses:

1996 Doisy Vedrines – What you said, though based on other 96's I've had and the brightness I typically expect from anything named Doisy, the Alsace-like heaviness of this wine, which I should perhaps instead describe as relatively low acidity, surprised me.
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