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WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Saina » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:22 pm

  • 1999 Robert Craig Affinity - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/21/2007)
    Oaky, sweet nose with some caramel. The attack is soft and fruity, the structure becomes apparent only later on - it seems to lack cohesiveness. Very sweet and oaky. Not really my thing, but competently made.
  • 1999 Vérité La Joie - USA, California, Sonoma County (12/21/2007)
    A nose of oak and cranberry jam. It is dark toned in its fruit and has some depth and complexity to it. The palate is also full of cranberry jam, but it does have strong acidity and nice tannins. The oak does become rather too apparent in the creamy aftertaste. Well made, but not really my style.
  • 1999 Arietta - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/21/2007)
    Kongsgaard & Hatton from Hudson Vineyards. The nose seems too old, with its notes of rye bread. The palate is better, with sweet fruit, but it seems overextracted as the tannins overpower everything else on the finish. The alcohol is also strong on the finish. It seems to be coming undone at the seams.
  • 1999 Rosenthal Cabernet Sauvignon Malibu Estate - USA, California, South Coast, Malibu-Newton Canyon (12/21/2007)
    It smells like straberry jam, but does have a touch of Cabernet lift and earth. Unfortunately there is a slight but annoying lactic hint on the nose. The palate is soft, strawberried and sweet. It is a bit lifeless/un-vibrant and could use less ripeness and more acidity. Fair, if you like a very ripe but not blockbuster style.
  • 1999 Altamura Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/21/2007)
    This has a dark toned nose of blueberry and Port-like sweetness - in fact it rather reminds me of Fonseca's style, except this is much too oaky. The palate is sweet, soft, with not enough acidity to keep it refreshing, but gladly with some tannins so that it does stay together. I can understand that for some this is a very successful wine, but I didn't really care for it.
  • 1999 Plumpjack Cabernet Sauvignon McWilliams Oakville Vineyard - USA, California, Napa Valley, Oakville (12/21/2007)
    A very dark toned, inky and brooding nose, but with Cabernet lift to it. The palate is very dark toned, extracted, tannic and very (i.e. much too) alcoholic. A brute of a wine. Impressive, but too much for me.
  • 1999 Viader Proprietary Red - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/21/2007)
    Sweet and plummy nose with some Cab lift and cranberry to it also. The plump and sweet palate is a bit monolithic and turns a bit harsh on the finish. Nice enough I guess, if you like the style.
  • 1999 Robert Mondavi Winery Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve - USA, California, Napa Valley (12/21/2007)
    The nose is very cranberried and oaky. The palate starts out soft but turns oaky and cranberried towards the end. Long, but too oaky finish. Competent in its style, but frankly a bit boring.
  • 1999 Quilceda Creek Cabernet Sauvignon - USA, Washington (12/21/2007)
    A toastily oaky nose of sweet fruit, peanut butter and cedar. The palate is also strongly nutty, with soft tannins and much ripe fruit and oak. Long aftertaste. There is a bit too much of the butter component for my taste which smothers all the other aromas. But it is quite an impressive wine - alas, just not in a style I tend to like.

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  • 1999 Château Grand-Puy Ducasse - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac (12/21/2007)
    The nose is a bit lactic, but otherwise nicely cedary and darkly fruity. The palate is medium bodied, attractively dry and pleasantly tannic. Not a great Claret, but not bad either. Needs more time, though I keep on hearing that '99s are approachable already.
  • 1999 Moss Wood Cabernet Sauvignon - Australia, Western Australia, South West Australia, Margaret River (12/21/2007)
    A dark toned nose, open and expressive but youthfully tarry and mulberry-like. It actually smells almost Shiraz-like to me despite its cranberry notes and lift. The palate is thick and tarry, with some red tones to balance all the blackness. Strong structure. Needs time. Good in its style.
  • 1999 Montes Alpha M - Chile, Central Valley, Rapel Valley, Colchagua Valley (12/21/2007)
    An unpleasantly harsh nose of blueberry jam - it actually stings when I sniff it! Soft, sweet, plump, juicy and very boring palate. Harsh aftertaste.

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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Mark Lipton » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:28 pm

Otto,
What sins did you commit to be subjected to this lineup of wines? :wink: I read your description of the La Joie with my teeth clenched: my well-meaning research group years ago gave me a bottle of the '99 La Muse for Christmas. On the basis of your note, I plan on leaving it alone for another decade to see if the oak will ever integrate. I was also disappointed to read your impressions of the Mondavi Reserve: a '97 that I had earlier this year was quite unspoofy and old school.

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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Saina » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:15 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:Otto,
What sins did you commit to be subjected to this lineup of wines? :wink: I read your description of the La Joie with my teeth clenched: my well-meaning research group years ago gave me a bottle of the '99 La Muse for Christmas. On the basis of your note, I plan on leaving it alone for another decade to see if the oak will ever integrate. I was also disappointed to read your impressions of the Mondavi Reserve: a '97 that I had earlier this year was quite unspoofy and old school.

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Mark, I would love to hear your views on the Vérité. Is La Muse a "super cuvée" compared to La Joie? It wasn't an oak-bomb in the way that e.g. some modern style Riojas are. It was rather the holistic experience that I found a bit distasteful.

My only experiences of old school American Cabernets are with the 78 and 90 Ridge York Creeks. Compared to those, the Mondavi was radically different - and I can't see that it would ever evolve into the beauties that the Ridges are, but that might be just a lack of imagination on my part.

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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:24 pm

Dear oh dear Otto, what tug boat bought these over to your shores?!! We have to have a word in private.....Mark, conference call????
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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Mark Lipton » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:35 am

IIRC, La Muse is just a different cepage than La Joie: more Merlot/Cab Franc. The winery, I believe, touts it as an hommage to the Right Bank, whereas La Joie pays tribute to the Medoc. Or so they say...

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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Brian K Miller » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:36 pm

Haven't had these vintages or blends. I would say, in defense of Mr. Jess Jackson, (Verite is a Kendall Jackson line) that the 1998 was far more enjoyable than the Silver Oak we had at the same time. :)
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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Jenise » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:44 pm

Interesting notes, Otto. I shared Mark's surprise at your take on the Mondavi--but since California wines are not your usual cup, I guess I can see where even the most modest and old school California wine is still going to impress you as oaky.

I found your repeated finding of cranberry interesting, too. Not a descriptor that occurs often in describing California cabernet, especially the heavier Napa styles you tasted here.
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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Saina » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:09 pm

Jenise wrote:Interesting notes, Otto. I shared Mark's surprise at your take on the Mondavi--but since California wines are not your usual cup, I guess I can see where even the most modest and old school California wine is still going to impress you as oaky.


It wasn't offensively oaky, but it still seemed more than absolutely necessary. I guess I am a minimalist with oak. I have little experience with Mondavis, but the main issue I had with the wine, was how obvious it was in all its aromatics. It lacked the subtlety that makes me want to engage in dialogue with the wine. Maybe it just isn't a great year for the wine, maybe the wine - though more old school - still isn't to my taste: it's impossible to say until I gain more experience with the area.

I found your repeated finding of cranberry interesting, too. Not a descriptor that occurs often in describing California cabernet, especially the heavier Napa styles you tasted here.


Wine jargon is pretty much a learned art. I don't know the wine jargon for US Cabs since we see so few here that I don't really pay attention to notes on them :oops: . I simply put my utterly subjective notes on paper. I think words are more impressionistic than truly descriptive anyway, so I hoped that they would make sense. Cranberry jam and the scent I found in many of the wines are very, very similar.

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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Jenise » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:33 pm

I don't know the wine jargon for US Cabs since we see so few here that I don't really pay attention to notes on them . I simply put my utterly subjective notes on paper. I think words are more impressionistic than truly descriptive anyway, so I hoped that they would make sense.

Oh, I know! Sorry if I put you on the defensive, didn't mean to. What I was actually thinking, but not articulating, was that one or the other of us is biased, and wondering if it's me through my familiarity. IMO Napa cabs tend to be less about red fruit than black, black cherry/black plum/blackberry that is. Maybe I don't see cranberriness because I don't think it's there. Either way, you're not wrong about what came across to you.
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Re: WTN: California 1999 + a few blinds

by Saina » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:37 pm

Jenise wrote:Sorry if I put you on the defensive, didn't mean to. What I was actually thinking, but not articulating, was that one or the other of us is biased, and wondering if it's me through my familiarity. IMO Napa cabs tend to be less about red fruit than black, black cherry/black plum/blackberry that is. Maybe I don't see cranberriness because I don't think it's there. Either way, you're not wrong about what came across to you.


I don't think I was put on the defensive - I think that thinking about terminology can often be good. There aren't sides to the matter so we can't really talk about defensive and offensive, can we? I find that often Bx blends (where-ever they come from) tend towards a darker fruit tone than e.g. Pinot. But I still think that such "colours" are extremely subjective (which is why I think that knowing whom one is reading/talking to is extremely important). When tasting these wines (half-blind FWIW), I was comparing them with what I find to be usual Bx blends. And compared to them, the Californians had a strong note that I can only describe as Cranberry; whereas Bordeaux tends towards more cedary, and cassis aromas. Sometimes, as with the occasional vintage of my favourite Haut-Bailly, the fruit can even go to a Burgundian lingonberry spectrum.

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