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Mark Lipton wrote:Your title says '06, but your note says '05 -- which is correct? FWIW, I enjoy Boudin's Chablis, but they don't excite me in the same way that some other producers do.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Domestic "Champagne" still lingers in the premium category, largely thanks to the marketing efforts of a few major American producers, but even this abuse seems to be fading as more consumers come to recognize it as misleading.
David Creighton
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
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David Creighton
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
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Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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creightond wrote:dear hoke - it might help if you made clear your place of employment, so the soapbox would be understood.
David Creighton
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
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creightond wrote: the creightond thing was a mistake that i've never figured out how to correct. not very technical.
David Creighton
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
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Hoke
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hey hoke - not sure even what a dinkum is; but i guess i did it anyway. the creightond thing was a mistake that i've never figured out how to correct. not very technical.
i tend to be pretty traditional on issues like this. i guess i'm not clear on one detail. did the EU cave on just 'california champagne'? or is it legal to use 'california chablis' 'california chianti', and all the others. and i assume it isn't just CA that gets the exception.
think that at a minimum - the standards for the similar names should be similar. that is, to have the words 'ca champagne' on the label the thing should be from the traditional grapes only and bottle fermented. otherwise, people still get the impression that they are getting the same sort of thing; but for much less money - that the french are basically ripping them off because they are french. this is champagne, this is champagne - what's the difference. people shouldln't have to know as much as we do to make an informed choice.
David M. Bueker
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David Creighton
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David M. Bueker wrote:I'm frequently quite amused by the concern that wine geeks (me included) have for the poor general public and their massive confusion. Most of the general public don't care what's on the label, what's in the bottle or much about anything else other than does it have bubbles & will they get tipsy on New Year's Eve.
Those that are confused frequently (more often than they are given credit for) ask questions.
I am also for protecting place names, but don't see the whole consumer confusion issue as being all that relevant.
Mark Lipton wrote:Of course, we both know that "rational" and trade laws rarely are used in the same sentence...
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Hoke
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creightond wrote:are you saying that the agreement to allow California Champagne covers ONLY bottle fermented? Cooks can't use it? Andre can't? wow.
David M. Bueker
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wrcstl wrote:I think your somewhat relaxed attitude
David M. Bueker wrote:wrcstl wrote:I think your somewhat relaxed attitude
Something I am trying to cultivate and continue.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
wrcstl wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:I'm frequently quite amused by the concern that wine geeks (me included) have for the poor general public and their massive confusion. Most of the general public don't care what's on the label, what's in the bottle or much about anything else other than does it have bubbles & will they get tipsy on New Year's Eve.
Those that are confused frequently (more often than they are given credit for) ask questions.
I am also for protecting place names, but don't see the whole consumer confusion issue as being all that relevant.
Why call anything in California, or for that matter outside of Champagne, Champagne? As Hoke says, it is not illegal but that doesn't really address the point. Lots of things are not illegal but make no sense and are misleading.
I am under the impression that most good sparklers in the US no longer use Champagne and Chablis and Burgundy are even less used. This, IMO, is a very good thing. Now Tokaji is another thing but that has no impact on the US.The only reason to call a California sparkling wine a Champagne is to mislead the public and try to associate the wine with a higher level of quality.
Walt
Well, let's see: perhaps because it was a quick and effective way of telling a customer the STYLE of wine he was buying, to give him an idea of what he was consuming, using a commonly recognized name for a PROCESS of making wine, while clearly labelling the product as being sourced from a specific place?Why call anything in California, or for that matter outside of Champagne, Champagne?
The only reason to call a California sparkling wine a Champagne is to mislead the public and try to associate the wine with a higher level of quality.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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wrcstl wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:wrcstl wrote:I think your somewhat relaxed attitude
Something I am trying to cultivate and continue.
David,
As well you should. I probably chose the wrong adjective and didn't mean it as a dig but this Champagne, Chablis and Burgundy thing really irritates me. It is purely a marketing play and IMO very misleading and a typical in-your-face American attitude. I still pick up a bottle called Champagne and then look to see the coutry. My mother still asks for a glass of Chablis when at a restaurant and has no idea what she is getting.
Walt
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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David M. Bueker
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wrcstl wrote: Coming out of corportate america in our marketing driven society I have to still consider this just a marketing ploy.
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