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WTN: New Calif Burgs...(long/boring)

by TomHill » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:05 pm

We tasted last month (11/28/07) some New Calif Burgundies:

1. TheOjaiVnyd Chard ClosPepeVnyd/Sta.RitaHills (14.0%; Clone 76) 2005: Med.gold color;
some toasty/smokey/oak/nutmeg ripe/melony/Chard lovely/aromatic nose; tart bright/
spicy/nutmeg/melony/Chard lush structured flavor; very long tart spicy/nutmeg/cardammon
ripe/lush/melony/Chard finish; needs several yrs and should go out 10; lots of ripe
Chard fruit but acidity & structure to carry it; lovely Chard at a good price. $35.00
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2. Ampelos rose of Syrah CuatroVientosVnyd/SantaYnezVlly (14.1%; http://www.AmpelosCellars.com;
290 cs) 2006: Pale salmon/pink color; attractive bright/strawberry/berry/raspberry nose;
tart clean/bright/spicy strawberry/raspberry flavor; long juicy/watermelon/raspberry/
spicy finish; a very attractive bright/strawberry/raspberry Syrah rose. $16.00
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3. Siduri SonomaCnty PinotNoir (14.1%; 1940 cs) 2006: Very light color; some toasty/oak
light bright/cherry/PN classic Siduri nose; rather toasty/oak very light cherry/black
cherry/PN slightly bitter flavor; short bright cherry/PN some toasty/oak slighhtly
bitter finish; a pleasant Pinot at a very attractive price. $16.50
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4. Siduri RRV PinotNoir (14.3%; 789 cs) 2006: Light color; much deeper spicy/black cherry/
PN some RRV/peppery very light toast/oak nose; soft some peppery/PN/black cherry light
toasty/oak flavor; med. spicy/black cherry/PN slight peppery light toasty/oak finish w/
light tannins; clearly RRV PN and ready to drink; good value at $23.50
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5. Siduri SapphireHillVnyd/RRV PinotNoir (14.1%; 408 cs) 2005: Med.dark color; strong
toasty/oak ripe/black cherry/PN loads of lovely fruit nose; soft lush/blacl cherry/PN
slightly spicy/peppery rather toasty/oak very attractive flavor; long ripe/black cherry/
PN fairly toasty/oak spicy/peppery finish w/ some tannins; good drinking now and for
another 4-5 yrs; very attractive classic/RRV Pinot. $32.00
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6. Siduri PisoniVnyd/SantaLuciaHighlands PinotNoir (14.1%; 433 cs) 2006: Med.dark color;
deep/strong chocolaty/black cherry/PN slight herbal/earthy light toasty/oak slight
reduced/licorice bit alcoholic nose; tart light chocolaty/licorice/pungent fairly black
cherry/PN slight herbal bit tight/closed flavor; long somewhat tight chocolaty/licorice/
black cherry/cola/PN light toasty/oak some tannic finish; seems rather tight & closed
and not really singing like it probably will down the road; needs some time before
trying again. $40.50
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7. PaliWineCo PinotNoir TurnerVnyd/Sta.RitaHills (14.3%; http://www.PaliWineCo.com) Winemaker:
BrianLoring 2005: Med.dark color; strong ripe/black cherry/blackberry/PN some toasty/
pungent/oak big fruit nose; tart bit hard/tannic spicy/blackberry/black cherry/PN some
toasty/oak flavor; long rather hard/tannic some black cherry/blackberry finish; a pretty
big/structured somewhat Syrah-like Pinot; needs several yrs of age yet. $40.00
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8. The Bohan-Dillon PinotNoir HirschVnyd/SonomaCoast (14.6%; http://www.HirschVineyards.com)
2006: Very light color; very bright very cherry/Cheracol/PN/spicy light toasty/oak lovely/
fragrant nose; tart light/vibrant very spicy/cherry/PN light toasty/oak flavor; med.short
cherry/Cheracol/Nehi soda pop finish w/ very light tannins; a light/pretty Pinot. $30.00
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9. Ampelos PinotNoir AmpelosVnyd/Sta.RitaHills (15.2%; 98 cs) 2004: Med.dark color; deep
black cherry/PN/spicy slightly pencilly/oak slight earthy lovely/fragrant/perfumed nose;
tart light pencilly/oak very spicy/black cherry/PN/ripe/cherry flavor; very long/lingering
bright/spicy/ripe/black cherry/PN light pencilly/oak slight earthy finish w/ light tannins;
lots of PN fruit and very balanced and polished; lovely example of SRH PN. $42.00
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10. TheOjaiVnyd PinotNoir SolomonHills/SantaMariaVlly (14.0%) 2005: Very dark color; very
strong toasty/charred/pungent/Fr.oak strong chocolaty/licorice/bing cherry/PN bit earthy
nose; tart some earthy/dusty quite charred/pungent/toasty/oak rather black cherry/cola/PN
flavor; rather tannic/hard very toasty/charred/Fr.oak slightly tarry/earthy strong black
cherry/cola/PN finish; seems a bit on the clunky & overextracted side; needs some age yet;
hard to say where this will go. $39.00
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11. TheOjaiVnyd PinotNoir ClosPepeVnyd/Sta.RitaHills (EarlyHrvst; SaH: 24 Brix; 14.0%)
2005: Very dark color; very strong black cherry/PN some boysenberry/blackberry bit toasty/
oak nose; very tart/zippy brighht cherry/black cherry/PN appley some toasty/oak flavor;
very long bright cherry/black cherry/PN slight blackberry some toasty/oak finish w/ modest
tannins; needs several yrs; more acidity and brightness and more high-toned cherry
character and less oak than the regular; lovely Pinot. $48.00
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12. TheOjaiVnyd PinotNoir ClosPepeVnyd/Sta.RitaHills (SaH: 26 Brix; 14.0%) 2005: Very dark
color; strong black cherry/PN/blackberry fairly toasty/oak bir riper more chocolaty nose;
tart strong black cherry/blackberry/PN rather toasty/oak flavor; very long black cherry/
cola/blackberry/PN/riper more toasty/oak some tannic finish; also needs a few yrs. $48.00
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13. SQN Over&Out Calif PinotNoir "PinotMore" (15.2%) 2005: Black color; very intense
toasty/charred/pencily/oak strong black cherry/bing cherry/cherry cola somewhat Syrah/
blackberry/boysenberry huge fruit nose; very strong toasty/charred/oak/smokey/pungent
intense black cherry/cola/blackberry/PN flavor; long rather tannic quite toasty/charred/
oak/smokey very strong black cherry/cola/PN/blackberry finish; loads of oak but huge
fruit underneath; needs much age; definitely Pinot and Syrah only in style; not a Pinot
for the faint of heart. $80.00
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14. Dehlinger PinotNoir GoldRidgeVnyd/RRV (14.3%) 1999: Med.light color w/ slight browning;
some black cherry/PN light floral/violets bit toasty/oak slight barky/earthy nose; tart
bit tired rather pencilly/oak light black cherry/PN flavor; med.long rather pencilly/oak
light cherry/black cherry finish w/ light tannins; starting to show a little tired and
should be drunk up. Larry's mystery wine.
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And profundities and absurdities from TheBloodyPulpit:
1. Peter & Becky Work were in SantaFe for a vacation, so came up to join us for this tasting.
They have been making wine several yrs under their Ampelos label, plus selling some of
their Syrah to CraigJaffurs. They regaled the group w/ their trials and tribulations of
growing grapes in the SantaRitaHills. They fielded lots of questions on their taking the
vnyd biodynamic. Kinda like Parker showing up at a WineSpectator tasting for a biodynamics
guy to show up amongst a bunch of LosAlamos scientific types. At least the scientist-
types realized that biodynamics folks are not wooly-headed and a bit nutso.
Winemaker is DonSchroeder, of SeaSmoke and Becky's son. It's definitely
a label to watch.
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2. Bohan-Dillon: Can't really find out for sure, but I gather this is a 2'nd label for
HirschVnyd, for wines that didn't make the cut into that label.
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3. SantaMariaVlly Pinot: The first really great SantaBarbara Pinots came from S&B Vnyd and
the BienNacidoVnyd. Over the yrs, I've been less & less thrilled by the Pinots coming from
the SantaMariaVlly. It's not that they're bad, per se, but they just don't seem to have in
many cases the brightness and liveliness and perfume you get from Sta.RitaHills Pinots.
They sometimes seem to be a bit on the clunky & coarse side compared w/ their brethern to
the South. Maybe I'm just not tasting enough of them these days.
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4. Ojai: AdamTolmach has been quietly making some of the best Chard and SauvBlanc in Calif
for quite a few yrs, but never seems to get much notice for them. It's one of the few
Calif Chards I buy yr after yr.
Though I'm obviously prejuidiced in favor of his Syrahs, Adam's Pinots are also
consistently some of the best made in Calif. They tend to be pretty big Pinots, but
speak resoundly of Pinot and certainly not Syrah-like Pinots. And they seem to age quite
well, thank you.
The two ClosPepevnyd Pinots were an interesting comparison. The regular seemed to have
more of a ripe character (doh!!!) and a bit more oak; not as much high-toned cherry in
character as the EarlyHrvst. I slightly preferred to EarlyHrvst version for this reason.
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Re: WTN: New Calif Burgs...(long/boring)

by OW Holmes » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:16 pm

Can I ask you Tom why you put the parenthetical note in the heading? Long, maybe, but I doubt that any on this board find your notes boring.
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(long/boring)

by TomHill » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:26 pm

Well.....way back in the days (by crackey) when AlGore had just developed the InterNet and down-load times were not nearly as blindingly fast as they are not, when you did a post that was long, you'd denote that fact in your header line as a warning to the reciepient that there might be a long down-load time. So I've just continued that tradition that I began way back when, when I was entering my posts using punched cards and paper tape.
After I'v put all that labor into writing up my notes, I'm pretty bored by them. It's sorta my trademark on my TN posts.
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Re: (long/boring)

by Dale Williams » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:28 pm

TomHill wrote: It's sorta my trademark on my TN posts.
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Re: (long/boring)

by Howard » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:32 pm

just so you know, I read every single word/phrase/ and I do/NOT find them/boring/uninteresting in/the least/at all.
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AwwwwwwRight...

by TomHill » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:39 pm

Youse guys funning me on my writing style??? :-)
According to Robin, that style even has its own name: agglutantive (sp?)
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Re: AwwwwwwRight...

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:01 pm

Tom, it took me a while to catch on to your style! Now sometimes, I use it myself.....goodlooker/ gettoknow/single/hope/nokids/likes horses/birder/spit/chew/inviteover.
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Re: AwwwwwwRight...

by SteveEdmunds » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:51 pm

Somebody got some splainin to do, methinks. 24Brix 14.0 alc, 26Brix 14.0 alc. from same vineyard, same winemaker. Maybe the second one should be "Wet Harvest." :D
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Re: AwwwwwwRight...

by Mark Lipton » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:30 pm

Steve Edmunds wrote:Somebody got some splainin to do, methinks. 24Brix 14.0 alc, 26Brix 14.0 alc. from same vineyard, same winemaker. Maybe the second one should be "Wet Harvest." :D


...or "tired yeast"? :P

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Easy....

by TomHill » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:54 am

Steve Edmunds wrote:Somebody got some splainin to do, methinks. 24Brix 14.0 alc, 26Brix 14.0 alc. from same vineyard, same winemaker. Maybe the second one should be "Wet Harvest." :D


Simple, Steve.....the Brix levels were taken from Adam's Newsletter. The label on the two btls are the same, w/ the "EarlyHarvest" label carrying a hand-stamp to identify it. So he just had only one label printed up for both wines. Ergo Et Summa Dixit Epso...or some such...one of the alcohol levels is inaccurate...probably the EarlyHrvst.
I've heard that alcohol levels on wine labels are not always accurate!!! :-)
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