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WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:10 pm

California or France?

Let's step back into the batter's box and take one more swing at Friday's topic, the wine-geek controversy over critic Robert M. Parker Jr.'s recent take on the 2005 wines from a small but highly regarded California producer, Steve Edmunds of Edmunds St. John.

Friday, I reported on most of those wines, tasted with a group of local wine experts and sommeliers; a tasting that left us at significant odds with Parker's ratings and a bit startled by the harsh tone of his narrative report. (No need to repeat all that here; weekly readers and anyone else who missed Friday's report can review it in the <I>Wine Advisor</i> archives.)

Today let's cue up one more Edmunds red, his 2004 "Rocks and Gravel," the only non-2005 wine covered in Parker's report. We missed this one in the panel tasting, which consisted entirely of 2005s; but happily, I had tasted it a few months ago but hadn't yet published a tasting report.

As it happens, "Rocks and Gravel" - a moniker that Edmunds chose to signal his commitment to making wines that reflect the character of the soil in which the grapes are grown - lies directly on the cusp of the controversy.

In the Aug. 29, 2007 edition of Parker's print newsletter, <I>The Wine Advocate</i>, he rapped Edmunds for, in Parker's words, an apparent "deliberate attempt to make French-styled wines. Of course, California is not France, and therein may suggest the problem. If you want to make a French wine, do it in France."

This appears on its face to be reasonable criticism, but it's marred by a fatal flaw: Steve Edmunds is not trying to make "French wine" in California. Quite the contrary, he strives - and in my opinion and that of many wine enthusiasts, succeeds - at making subtle, balanced, food-friendly and ageworthy California wines that speak of their own time and place.

In an era when many New World wines - perhaps driven by the preferences of leading critics like Parker - veer toward the popular high-alcohol, fruit-forward profile, wines like those of Edmunds St. John do indeed show a touch of Old World sensibility. But this hardly makes them "French" (not that there's anything wrong with that); and many of us particularly admire Steve Edmunds for his commitment to making wines that do respect the soil in which the grapes were grown.

Just out of curiosity and for a reality check, I compared my impressions on Edmunds' 2004 Rocks and Gravel against a Rhone red of similar grape varieties and vintage, selling (adjusted for the Euro) in the same general price range.

The French wine, <B>Domaine les Sang des Cailloux 2004 "Cuvée Floureto" Vacqueyras ($24.99)</B>, imported by Kermit Lynch Wine Merchant, Berkeley, Calif., was certainly a splendid Southern Rhone blend, inky dark reddish-purple in color, breathing subtle raspberry aromas with a whiff of black pepper and an impression of earthy "tree bark" and fresh herbs. Red berries dominated its fresh and mouth-filling flavor, backed by lip-smacking acidity and a softer back note of tannins.

I'd go so far as to say that the similar varietal components and big structure could identify the wines as "cousins" in a blind tasting. But twins? I don't think so. Not even fraternal. I love both wines, not least because each is distinct and individual, speaking with its own clear voice. That's a good thing.

<table border="0" align="right" width="170"><tr><td><img src="http://www.wineloverspage.com/graphics1/esj_rocks04.jpg" border="1" align="right"></td></tr></table>Edmunds St. John 2004 "Rocks and Gravel" California Red Wine ($20)

Very dark reddish-purple with a clear garnet edge. Black plums, grilled meat and smoke. Flavors are consistent with the nose, structured black fruit built on a firm acidic backbone and soft but persistent tannins. Ripe but not jammy, berries and plums and stony minerality in a long finish. Tasted again after 24 hours in the open bottle, it has opened up quite a bit, showing a little more black fruit with a hint of licorice on the nose; flavors similar to Day One but more open and accessible. Young enough and sturdy enough that extended breathing (several hours, decanted or poured into glasses with vigorous aeration) will enhance its accessibility. (Sept. 11, 2007)

<B>FOOD MATCH:</b> Grilled beef or lamb would be perfect, but it wasn't a mad match with a light meatless dinner of caprese with heirloom beefsteak tomatoes, fresh basil and locally made fresh mozzarella with extra virgin Spanish olive oil; it also fared well with Manzanilla olives.

<B>VALUE:</B> Whether it's judged, as it probably should be, as a quality California red or considered in competition with very good Southern Rhone blends, $20 is more than fair for this serious, ageworthy wine. (You may be able to find it for less than I paid at retail in Louisville, as the winery suggested retail price is $18, and street prices nationally range in the middle teens.)

<B>WHEN TO DRINK:</B> Certainly enjoyable now, particularly with aeration and a good food match, but its structure and tannins - plus its performance after 24 hours in the open bottle - suggests excellent aging potential over at least the next five years.

<B>WEB LINK:</B>
Here's a fact sheet on the Edmunds St. John 2004 "Rocks and Gravel" on the winery Website:
http://www.edmundsstjohn.com/wines/2004-rocks-and-gravel.html

<B>FIND THESE WINES ONLINE:</B>
Edmunds St. John wines are sporadically distributed around the U.S. and, unfortunately, difficult to impossible to find internationally. For information on distributors in about 30 U.S. states, British Columbia, Europe, the UK and Japan, see the winery Website,
http://www.edmundsstjohn.com/buy

Check prices and find vendors for Edmunds St. John "Rocks and Gravel" on Wine-Searcher.com:
[url=http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/Edmunds%2bSt%2bJohn%2bRocks/-/-/USD/A?referring_site=WLP]http://www.wine-searcher.com/
find/Edmunds%2bSt%2bJohn%2bRocks/-/-/USD/A?referring_site=WLP[/url]

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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by wrcstl » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Robin Garr wrote:California or France?
In the Aug. 29, 2007 edition of Parker's print newsletter, <I>The Wine Advocate</i>, he rapped Edmunds for, in Parker's words, an apparent "deliberate attempt to make French-styled wines. Of course, California is not France, and therein may suggest the problem. If you want to make a French wine, do it in France."

This appears on its face to be reasonable criticism, but it's marred by a fatal flaw: Steve Edmunds is not trying to make "French wine" in California. Quite the contrary, he strives - and in my opinion and that of many wine enthusiasts, succeeds - at making subtle, balanced, food-friendly and ageworthy California wines that speak of their own time and place.



Robin,
Good notes on two good wines. Don't really get this French/American issue and you stated it well. Steve just lets the grape do the talking and he is very good at it. The confusion comes from many American wines, and in fairness other countries, where the wine comes from the winery not the vineyard.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by David M. Bueker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:21 pm

Pot-stirrer. :twisted:
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by wrcstl » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:32 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Pot-stirrer. :twisted:


David,
Sorry, thought you would agree.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by David M. Bueker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:06 pm

Walt - I was referring to Robin.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:32 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Walt - I was referring to Robin.


Which pot do you think I'm stirring, David? Sure, I cross-post this here for the amusement of our Merrie Little Bande, but I write the Wine Advisor specifically for the Email subscription list, most of whom don't hang out here or on other wine forums and who don't really care whose pot gets stirred on wine forums.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by David M. Bueker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:51 pm

Oh for God's sake Robin...it doesn't matter who you write it for - it's on the internet & is a continuation of your prior "assessment" of ESJ and Parker's reviews. You cannot fail to have noticed that the first part created quite a stir.

Don't get me wrong I am enjoying the fun, but unless you're completely blind (or deliberately hiding from anything not related to your own site) you cannot have missed the controversy you created with the first Advisor article.

Not to mention you don't seem to be able to appreciate sarcasm.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Brian K Miller » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:11 pm

Robin, thanks for these notes. Did a similar pairing a couple months ago, comparing a Bonny Doon Le Cigare Volant and an Andre Brunel Cotes du Rhone Villages. Most definitely "kissing cousins," with the California wine showing more opulent fruit but plenty of Rhone funk upon opening. I loved them both!

Don't read a lot of notes on Bonny Doon. Has he fallen out of favor with the group here? It wasn't cheap, but I loved Le Cigare Volant!
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:14 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:"assessment"


Why the quotation marks?
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by David M. Bueker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:21 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:"assessment"


Why the quotation marks?


Because it's not exactly the word I wanted, but could not decide on what word to use. No implied cirticism.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:37 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Robin Garr wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:"assessment"


Why the quotation marks?


Because it's not exactly the word I wanted, but could not decide on what word to use. No implied cirticism.


Oh, okay, thanks. I wanted to know whether to be p!$$ed off or not. ;)

As for pot-stirring, I just don't know what to say to your post, David. I want to give you a respectful answer, but I honestly believe that you don't understand where I'm coming from here at all.

You know I don't lurk on the Squires forum (or any other), but sure, I've been told that there's a five-page thread there. Most of it relatively civil, much of it not related to my article at all but debating the legitimate issues that Parker's reviews raise. I understand that no more than 20 people are involved in it. I'm sure that fewer than 20 people are involved in this thread here.

Friday's Wine Advisor went to 40,000 readers. Todays went to more than 45,000. I've had Email from far more individuals than have posted in either forum, and none of it has been negative or nasty.

I think the Parker review of ESJ raised serious, substantive questions about the ongoing issue of Old World-New World winemaking, and an interesting side issue about Parker's unusual behavior regarding the ESJ reviews. He's a public figure of great influence in the world of wine. That's the kind of thing that I write about.

I really and truly don't care much one way or another if a couple of dozen wine-board junkies are talking about the topic, and to suggest that I wrote and distributed an entire issue of the Wine Advisor to its full distribution list for the amusement of a small number of acolytes on a forum that I don't even visit just plain doesn't make any sense.

Am I missing some sarcasm here? ;)
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:41 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:Don't read a lot of notes on Bonny Doon. Has he fallen out of favor with the group here? It wasn't cheap, but I loved Le Cigare Volant!


Brian, I enjoy Bonny Doon and love Grahm's sense of humor, but I do have to confess that I've been off his higher-end stuff for quite a while. I don't hate Cigare Volant, but when you consider it's selling for Chateauneuf-level prices (at least before the dollar's free fall), I just decided I'd rather have the real deal.

I love his wacky Il Circo made-in-Italy wines from offbeat varieties, and I enjoy the Ca' del Solo wines. Got nothin' against the man.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Brian K Miller » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:45 pm

Robin: I understand (although living in Cali, I got it for $30, which is the very bottom end of CdP from what I've seen).

And, to be honest, my friends preferred the $16 Andre Brunel Cotes du Rhone Villages. I liked both wines, but from a QPR standpoint, the French wine was the winner!
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by David M. Bueker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:47 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Am I missing some sarcasm here? ;)


A bucket load of it. Seriously I was just playing with you, and you make it even more fun with your whatever-did-I-do-type stance. So thanks for the entertainment, as it's just what I needed on this dreary work day.

No need to respond as I wasn't trolling for a response with my initial post.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Robin Garr » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:49 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:thanks for the entertainment


Who's on first? :lol:
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:52 pm

Thanks for the note, I liked the 04 R&G, but found the 05 R&G more accessible, friendly, and electric.

I'll try giving more air to the next bottle of 04.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Lizbeth S » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:11 pm

The controversy is definitely selling wine here in Philly. Only 1 center city store carries ESJ (and only recently started doing so) and somehow I managed to grab the very last bottle of 2003 Shell & Bone this evening. The 2004 (I think) Wylie Fenaughty was gone, even though there were plenty of bottles on Friday (I checked on Wine-Searcher Friday, but didn't have the time to hit the store until tonight). A case of any attention is good attention?

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to opening the bottle I have! :D
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:38 pm

Lizbeth S wrote:The 2004 (I think) Wylie Fenaughty was gone


If it was 2004 it wasn't Wylie-Fenaughty, not made that year. The only 2004 red was the Rocks and Gravel (the only 2004 wine in general?). WF would be either 03 or 05. Both delicious, the 03 more approachable than the 05 at the moment.
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Re: WTN/Wine Advisor: California or France? (ESJ 2004 Rocks&Gravel)

by Lizbeth S » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:06 pm

My bad...I looked it up and it is the 2003. I'm hoping to score some when (if) they restock.

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