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Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by MattThr » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:23 pm

I just finished watched an episode of "Oz & James Big Wine Adventure" on the BBC - recorded it a couple of weeks ago.

This particular episode was based around Santa Curz included a visit to some offbeat winemaker who specialises in blending together grapes that .. well .. aren't normally blended together. I forget his name, although I don't doubt for one single second that someone here on this forum will remind me and everyone else who it was :)

Over dinner (and wine) this guy declared that he had serious doubts about whether people who'd been raised on "ordinary" wine had the ability to "make the leap of imagination" to more complex wines like the ones he was busy making.

So far during my little excursion into wine I've come across nothing to make me feel like it is actually the elitist hobby that it's often made out to be - no more so, at least, than the expensive involved would necessitate. But that remark just made my blood boil. Most of us - and I would image this includes most wine geeks - weren't bought up in households where first-growth Bordeaux was a common accompaniment to Sunday dinner. Yet it seems the wine hobby still manages to retain and expand a body of enthusiastic and knowledgeable amateurs. For me, that alone pretty much rubbishes his point of view.

Is that sort of attitude still widely prevalent amongst people who still make top-quality wines? If it is then no great surprise that it hasn't achieved wider appeal as a hobby. But perhaps that's just the way those sorts of people would like it to stay.

I sure hope someone does remind of the bloke's name, just so I can be sure to avoid his wine in future.
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Peter May » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:34 pm

MattThr wrote:I don't doubt for one single second that someone here on this forum will remind me and everyone else who it was

I sure hope someone does remind of the bloke's name, just so I can be sure to avoid his wine in future.


I don't think this series has yet been shown in the USA so you may not get the response you expect.

According to the BBC site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/tv_and_radio/ ... _two.shtml #episode_four - Episode 4 was Santa Cruz and Randall Grahm was likely person the you are referringto (I didn't see the episode myself, but if you have it on DVD I'd appreciate a copy.)

If you avoid Grahms wines you'd be missing some exciting wines, methinks. Unfortunately we see little of them here in the UK, although M&S has a red & white under its own Clos Reynard label.....
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Max Hauser » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:43 pm

Don't know who that was, and it's, so to speak, my home wine region. I didn't see the program [programme]. I wonder if the winemaker is trying something unusual enough that it shows well in the glass but won't be tried by customers seeing the bottle because it's unfamiliar. That's a real problem for sellers of wine in US (wherever it comes from) that isn't already a household word. US lags measurably behind some other regions (including UK, Aus., NZ) in wine education. That could have been his intended point, though (again) I didn't see the interview.

Throwing out a wild guess, I wonder if it's Randall Grahm of Bonny Doon. His winery in the Santa Cruz Mountains made its name with outrageously-marketed unusual varietal wines. Grahm has a history of flamboyance and grandstanding; the 50-to-a-page puns in his newsletter have already earned him a place in hell so he may feel he has nothing to lose. On the other hand, he does appreciate classic varietals. Datum: A friend and I stripped one retailer of some good-value pinot-noir Burgundies being discounted, and Grahm, the shop's only other customer at the same early hour, eyed the stack of boxes longingly and inquired (but was told they'd been sold).

Edit: another post came in already suggesting same name, while I was writing this.
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Bonnie in Holland » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:02 am

Darn, I saw this episode last week but can't remember who might have said that about the average consumer's inability to understand his wines. Dave will probably remember. In any case, I can't imagine Randall Grahm saying such a thing - he is independent, outspoken, and a little kooky to some folks maybe, but he really isn't elitist, I don't think. cheers, Bonnie
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by MattThr » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:14 am

Peter May wrote:I don't think this series has yet been shown in the USA so you may not get the response you expect.


I wasn't expecting anything in particular :) But I knew the series hadn't yet hit the states, I thought people there might be able to comment based on the quotes I'd given.

Peter May wrote:(I didn't see the episode myself, but if you have it on DVD I'd appreciate a copy.)


Sadly I only have a hard-drive recorder, so I can't do that I'm afraid.

It's a shame they don't give more detailed information on places visited and wines drunk on the series' web pages. There's a wikipedia entry which has more information though, and which could probably do with expanding if any fans of the series have time.

The quote at the end made me laugh - James intoning "If you have no job and no friends and want more information then ..."

That could have been his intended point, though (again) I didn't see the interview.


You could be right - he might just have chosen his words very poorly. My quote is fairly exact, from memory and it was his use of the word "inability" that annoyed me. In context, it made it sound like he thought most people were simple incapable of appreciating good wine, ever. Re-reading it in the light of your suggestion it could be that he meant to say "inability" as in "unable until more knowledgable about wine" which is still pretty stuffy if you ask me but nowhere hear as bad.

Bonnie in Holland wrote:In any case, I can't imagine Randall Grahm saying such a thing - he is independent, outspoken, and a little kooky to some folks maybe, but he really isn't elitist, I don't think.


Just checked a photo from Google images. It is indeed the same man from the episode.
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Jamie Goode » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:20 am

Randall is one of the most intelligent and interesting commentators on the world of wine. He's a journalist's delight - always good for a perfect quote!
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Dave C » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:37 am

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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by MattThr » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:59 am



Nope, he's been identified as Randall Grahm.

The clip is worth watching though, for anyone that missed the show!
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Dave C » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:03 am



No I don't think it's Paul Draper.

It might be this chap - Randell Grahm at Bonny Doon Winery.

Looking for a short clip to post on the 'ning' site.

Cheers, Dave C.
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Re: Oz & James Big Elitist Adventure

by Dave C » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:14 am

Dave C wrote:
It might be this chap - Randell Grahm at Bonny Doon Winery.

Looking for a short clip to post on the 'ning' site.

Cheers, Dave C.


Sorry to follow myself again - but here is the short clip:-

http://wineloverspage.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1374122%3AVideo%3A5042

Cheers, Dave C.
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