Florida Jim
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
35766
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Florida Jim wrote:.......2004 Montes Alpha, Syrah:
Quite a bit of oak on the nose, a touch hot and pretty sweet overall although it does taste like syrah; a soulless wine without character and obviously manipulated. I understand why this would have its appeal and why the Spectator would recommend it, but this is not my style. 14.5% alcohol, imported by T.G.I.C. Imports and about $17; no thanks.
Best, Jim
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
35766
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Joe Moryl wrote:Florida Jim wrote:.......2004 Montes Alpha, Syrah:
Quite a bit of oak on the nose, a touch hot and pretty sweet overall although it does taste like syrah; a soulless wine without character and obviously manipulated. I understand why this would have its appeal and why the Spectator would recommend it, but this is not my style. 14.5% alcohol, imported by T.G.I.C. Imports and about $17; no thanks.
Best, Jim
OK, so the wine is souless and without character. Why does that make it 'obviously manipulated' (although it probably is, given large scale production, etc.)? Isn't it entirely possible that Mr. Natural on his 5 ha. plot could make a totally uninteresting wine using minimal manipulation and the best intentions? What if the maipulator was very talented and clever and was able to produce a brilliantly expressive wine?
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
Joe Moryl wrote:OK, so the wine is souless and without character. Why does that make it 'obviously manipulated' (although it probably is, given large scale production, etc.)? Isn't it entirely possible that Mr. Natural on his 5 ha. plot could make a totally uninteresting wine using minimal manipulation and the best intentions? What if the maipulator was very talented and clever and was able to produce a brilliantly expressive wine?
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
Joe Moryl wrote:Jim,
Sorry to come off as so confrontational. But it seems so easy to accuse a large (especially new-world) producer of 'manipulation'. But I've tasted plenty of slick, fruity and/or over oaked wines made by people who probably have no idea what a spinning cone is. Winemaking is manipuation!
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