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Mike Pollard wrote:I seriously doubt that changes in the smell of a wine via retronasal breathing have anything to do with oxygenation of the wine. It is far more likely that the temperature of the mouth (considerably warmer than a wine) results in an increase in release of volatile compounds from the wine.
You can readily enhance the retronasal effect by actively breathing OUT through your nose with a small amount of wine in your mouth, or immediately after you have swallowed the wine.
Robin Garr wrote:Mike Pollard wrote:I seriously doubt that changes in the smell of a wine via retronasal breathing have anything to do with oxygenation of the wine. It is far more likely that the temperature of the mouth (considerably warmer than a wine) results in an increase in release of volatile compounds from the wine.
You can readily enhance the retronasal effect by actively breathing OUT through your nose with a small amount of wine in your mouth, or immediately after you have swallowed the wine.
I didn't want to second-guess Jackson, but my reaction was slightly skeptical ... my sense of it is that you get the best oxygenation by swirling in the glass. Swishing in your mouth coats all the sensory surfaces and likely looses a fair storm of olfactory molecules by quick evaporation from those thin coats (just as it does on the walls of the glass).
To me, though, the real message here - particularly for learning wine tasters - is simply to be aware of the two different kinds of smelling and to take a moment to look for them.
Mike Pollard wrote:Apologies to Jackson if my post seems harsh, but oxygen is given way too much credit in wine tasting - especially when its been shown that 1) it does not "soften" tannins and 2) the volatile bloom of a wine can occur in an atmosphere of nitrogen.
Mark Lipton wrote:since tannin polymerization is primarily an oxidation reaction, I would think that oxygen would indeed play a pivotal role in the softening process.
Robin Garr wrote:Mark Lipton wrote:since tannin polymerization is primarily an oxidation reaction, I would think that oxygen would indeed play a pivotal role in the softening process.
Just to stir the pot a little further, I do not believe that significant polymerization is going to occur during 5 or 10 seconds of swishing in the taster's mouth.
Harry Cantrell wrote:Robin, I don't believe you have your understanding of dynamic anatomy correct. When you have liquid in your mouth and hold it there, you can breath through your nose. This is accomplished by the soft palate dropping down to open the nasal passage, AND the tongue "mounding up" in the back of the mouth, both will generally prevent liquids (and thus smells) into the nose. If this wasn't so, one would routinely get liquids up the nose from the back all of the time. We don't. Retronasal smell, IIRC, involves exhaling AFTER swallowing. The volatilized smell retronasally flows back through the nose and past the smell fibers.
Mark Lipton wrote:Mike Pollard wrote:Apologies to Jackson if my post seems harsh, but oxygen is given way too much credit in wine tasting - especially when its been shown that 1) it does not "soften" tannins and 2) the volatile bloom of a wine can occur in an atmosphere of nitrogen.
Mike,
Can you elaborate on the softening of tannins? My understanding is that the astringency of tannins decreases as they polymerize beyond a certain size, and since tannin polymerization is primarily an oxidation reaction, I would think that oxygen would indeed play a pivotal role in the softening process.
Mark Lipton
Victorwine wrote:What ever happened to 70 to 75% of what you taste is actually smell?
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