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Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits 189

by François Audouze » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:01 am

Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits 1899 and other great wines.
I made a dinner by restaurant Ledoyen. I had delivered the bottles in their cellar three months ago, and had asked that the bottles would be put standing the day before the dinner. When I arrive to open the bottles at 4 pm, I see a team completely motivated as we had already made some great dinners together. The director, Pascal Simiand tells me that the sommelier who will pour the wines tonight has thought of this dinner during all his vacations. Patrick and Géraud Tournier, chief sommelier, have worked together with Christian Le Squer, the three stars chef, to create a nice menu.
I open the wines, and the Châteauneuf-du-Pape white has a very chemical smell which will disappear. I have put in this dinner a bottle which is the most emotional of the bottles of my cellar. The bottle, which is made of hand blown glass is very irregular, with a very deep bottom. The glass is very dark. The main label has been partially torn, and has only one word : ‘NUITS”. Only five letters to indicate what the wine is. And there is a very tiny label with only the year : “1899”. It gives me emotion as it is pure, beautiful and unknown as we will never know what is inside. When I open it, the smell gives me satisfaction, as I do not detect any definitive defect. I think the wine will be good. Being confident on the wines I had opened, I go for a walk in Paris. The streets are full with a very cosmopolitan crowd, as the nice weather is appreciated by tourists.
I wait for the nine people who come, mainly guests that I know already. There is an American amateur who has more experience than me about old wines, there is a wine producer who opens generously very great wines, and some people used to come to my dinners from various countries, Swiss, Italy and France. Géraud, the sommelier offers us champagne Laurent Perrier Grand Siècle that I find sweeter than the ones that I have drunk during summer vacations. It is very agreeable, and will prepare our mouths to the great champagne to come.
We go in the magnificent dining room and our table is nicely dressed. Here is the menu composed by Christian Le Squer : Sardines à cru, eau de tomates à l'huile d'olives / Araignée de mer décortiquée en carapace / Concentré de Cèpes crus et cuits / Jambon Blanc, Cèpes, Parmesan aux Spaghettis / Foie de veau en persillade, jus de fruits rouges acidulé / Pithiviers brioché de Foie Gras et Cèpes et truffes / Vieux Comté / Soufflé Ananas épicé. Everything in this menu was absolutely proper, except the veal’s liver, which did not match the star of the evening, a Vosne Romanée Cros Parantoux of Henri Jayer.
On delicate “amuse bouche”, we drink the Magnum Champagne Krug Vintage 1982 which is of an incredible height. A little creamy, wide but subtle, the champagne shines by its complexity. We have discussed for a long time about the compared excellence of Salon 1982 and Krug 1982. The preferences are different between the American collector, the wine maker and me, but it is absolutely normal as the two champagnes are very different (I had recently on a dinner Salon 1990, Salon 1988 and Krug Clos du Mesnil 1982 which showed me the great differences between Krug and Salon, Salon being more wild and pushing and Krug being more quiet and noble). The combination with the sardine is stupendous, but it is even greater as my friend wine maker says, when the sardine is combined with its cream. This champagne is made for gastronomy.

The first impression with the Chevalier Montrachet Bouchard Père & Fils 1990 is happiness. It is straightforward, full of joy, powerful, singing with a voice à la Pavarotti. It is probably as for the Krug at one of the best moments of its long life.
The Châteauneuf-du-Pape white les Cansonniers L. de Vallouit 1961 has a very complex smell. In mouth, it is the most puzzling wine, as no one has any reference. I love its enigmatic variations. On cepes, we could have had a red wine, but the experience that we make is a complete success. I adore such wines with which we explore unknown horizons.
By opening, I had been impressed by the smell of the Château Palmer, Margaux 1959, spectacularly frank and sympathetic. When it is served, it is generous. It is accompanied by the Château Margaux, Margaux 1934 whose nose by opening was more discrete. But now, the Chateau Margaux is impressive, all in charm, with a seduction made of subtlety. They are very different, and their opposition is exciting. The Palmer is more male, soldier, and the Margaux is more feminine and sexy. The too perfect cork of the Margaux indicated a recorked bottle, but we analysed it with the wine maker and we concluded that both Margaux, the 1959 and the 1934 were from an original bottling which gives a better taste. The whole table preferred the Margaux, but I had a real feeling for the Palmer too even if the Margaux was spectacular.

When one encounters a legendary wine, one expects a lot. The smell of the Vosne-Romanée Cros Parantoux Henri Jayer 1989 makes me nearly faint. It is so extraordinary to smell such a precise construction of fragrances. In mouth, it is obviously an immense wine, but, let me say, I was expecting John Wayne, and I found Mickey Rooney. Great actor too, but not a sacred monster as John Wayne. The wine is subtle, smart, complex, and showing a perfect construction. But there is a little lack of power, and the grain of salt which would make it stupefying. The veal’s liver did not help it to shine either.
I see now appearing my beloved bottle, the Nuits 1899. My pure love for it had pushed me to adopt it at the first smell when I had opened it, but the smell, which was not corked when I opened it, was now obviously corked. Is it due to the fact that I protected the wine by an extra cork that I thought would be neutral and was not, or was it that I did not notice it ? I do not know. By chance, the corked smell did not pervert the taste by a corked taste. And by another chance the association with the deep perfume of the truffle helped us to forget this bas smell, as the truffle played for the wine what the ammoniac does for the weight lifter. And if one accepts that a wine of 108 years is not complete but is a true wine, one enjoys its consistency and its still solid charm. Personally, really used to old wines, I enjoyed the testimony, as I can accept some incomplete aspects.
The Château Chalon Jean Bourdy 1934 comes from the greatest year for Chateau Chalon in the 20th century. The smell is immense. My joy is immense too. We have two Comtés separated by one year of age, and the combination is classically perfect. The wine maker of the Bordeaux region, who makes red and white wines, is less at ease with such tastes, which send me to Heaven.
I had announced that the Château Sigalas Rabaud Sauternes would be a 1918, but after a precise analysis of the cork which had wrinkles, it is a 1928. The “1” was a folded “2” on the cork. We are immediately struck by the absolute perfection of such a wine. It is the ideal Sauternes as one would dream. The complexity of aromas and tastes is unique. For my opinion, I see in this wine a broader complexity than in the 1928 Yquem. Yquem uses of other weapons of seduction, but I am completely in love with such imaginative Sauternes. The dessert is delicious, but the wine can live its life alone.

We have voted for the nine wines and the Nuits 1899 is the only one to have not got any vote. This is sad for me but it is normal as we were far from conventional tastes. I am still happy to have drunk this rare testimony of a perfect year in Burgundy (on December 31st, 1999, at 11:50 pm, I had poured a wine of just hundred years, to jump from 1999 to 2000, a Musigny Coron Père & Fils 1899, which still belongs to my top ten preferred Burgundy wines). Four wines have received a vote of number one, which is always pleasant of me as there is not a unanimous winner. The Sigalas Rabaud 1928 and the Château Margaux 1934 had three votes as first, the Krug 1982 and the Chevalier Montrachet 1990 had two votes as first. The consensual vote would be :
1. Chateau margaux 1934
2. Sigalas Rabaud 1928
3. Krug 1982 and Chevalier Montrachet 1990 being equally voted at rank three.
My vote has been : 1 – Sigalas Rabaud 1928, 2 – Château margaux 1934, 3 – Chevalier Montrachet Bouchard 1990, 4 – Château Chalon Bourdy 1934.
I have a great admiration for the talent of Christian Le Squer. I would select the ham, the sardine and the cepe as the stars of the menu. But the atmosphere in the place and the motivation of the team deserves applauses. It was so friendly.
To drink great old wines when so many advantages are put together is a real pleasure.
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:41 am

Quite a menu, love the thought of the jambon. Only Francois could make a corked wine sound so pleasing! Merci beaucoup, mon ami.
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by François Audouze » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:06 am

I see the humour in your comment, but this gives me the occasion to express some ideas about how to approach old wines.
Imagine that a friend tells you : I have a book printed in 1550, have a look at it.
You would take the book in hand with an infinite caution and you would notice that the pages are very difficult to turn, that they do not stay still, and that the script is very difficult to read.
Would you notice first all the bad unconvenient points, or would you concentrate your mind on what the book delivers to you : fantastic hand paintings, colours which last for ever, and a testimony on a way of writing having half a millenium of life.
You would certainly choose the positive attitude.

For wine, if you want the perfection, if you want to give a note, if you never accept some shadows in the taste, you will condamn an old wine, except if it is perfect, which happens - fortunately - often.
If you have an open mind as for the book, you will try to read the message that the wine sends you. And if you accept to pull the curtain, you can read some very imaginative messages.

As I have not the necessity or the obligation to give the objective tasting value of the wine, I can let my mind try to catch the message of the wine, comparing this 1899 to the other 1899 that I have drunk.

I was happy that the truffle "cured" the defect of the wine. It was obviously not a great wine, but it had enough to say to interest me.
Of course I am more relaxed than many other people because I drink a sufficient number of old wines not to be nervous when I drink one.
If the wine is bad, I will say it. But I will always be open, to try to listen to what the wine says.
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by François Audouze » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:11 am

To see the label of the Nuits is possible :

http://www.academiedesvinsanciens.org/a ... -1899.html

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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Bill Hooper » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:55 pm

Mon Dieu! Nicely done. I hope more than one woman was painted gold and made to dance tableside. :wink: Seriously though; some fine notes and a rather lovely dinner.
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by David Cobbold » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:22 am

Please explain to me what is the point of so much verbiage about a somewhat overplayed Paris restaurant with very salty food, written in English that should be re-written. Maybe Monsieur Audouze should declare his real interest: namely selling overpriced dinners with a bunch of variable (i.e. sometimes excellent, sometimes indifferent) wines.
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Bob Ross » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:27 am

Francois, thank you very much for your notes of the wine and food, and especially for the post on corked wines. It was a wonderful defense of older wines, and as a book and postage stamp collector, it resonated deeply.

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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Robin Garr » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:28 am

David Cobbold wrote:Please explain to me


David, without directly addressing the merits of your remarks, it seems a bit surprising for a new arrival to our forum to frame his introduction as something that looks somewhat like a personal attack.

Would you care to explain your agenda here, if any, and tell us a bit about yourself?
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by Bob Ross » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:32 am

David, it always amuses me when someone ITB takes a whack at a competitor. Surely there are people who attend your events and read your books who would hate the experiences with Francois. Others might enjoy them.

And, having read the positive things folks say about the events you host, and the books you write, I might enjoy both. But I really don't learn much positive about a person from personal attacks of the sort you posted.

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by David Cobbold » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:02 am

Nothing personal involved, I can assure you. Particularly as I do nothing in this field. But I have seen François Audouze in action, and I have read his prose, and I think it would be honest on his behalf to declare his business interest here. He is selling dinners with old wines. That is fine by me, but why should his communication forum not be subject to criticism, at least in terms of objectivity ?
I have met people who have been to some of his dinners and who are very criticial of the quality of his wines. Old is not necessarily beautiful any more than is youth!
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by David Cobbold » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:12 am

Dear Robin
I have long admired your site and the balanced nature of your comments on all kinds of topics.
So I quite agree that it is regrettable that my first contribution to your forum should take the form of a criticism of another contributor. I am not in the habit of doing this, but I fell upon the entry of François Audouze and felt I had to react. My apologies for such an apparently hostile tone as a first contribution. I will try to be more positive in the future. Nevertheless I meant what I said, and have justified this in response to a contributor to your site.
I consider that Audouze is using your forum as an advertising platform for his dinners, whereas I have nothing to sell to your readers. I am simply responding to a posting as a wine lover who has something to say.
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by wrcstl » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:24 am

Francois,
You seem to enjoy old wines, something that many of us can do only occasionally. In general, with the exception of a 1900 Bordeaux, the few very old bottles I have had were quite enjoyable, a combination of good wine and drinking history. What is your opinion of the three Bordeaux years '59, '61 and '62? 1961 always seems to get the press but I personally have been more impressed with '59 (only have had three bottles) vs 1961(have had quite a few bottles). Last month I had a '62 Latour and it was excellent. Just looking for an opinion.
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by Saina » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:32 am

Welcome David Cobbold! I think Mr. Audouze has told us that he runs a business in some past post of his. I think the participants here are smart enough to make their own minds about whatever it might imply that he also writes about these events. For myself, I am very happy to see his posts here as they give an insight into wines I rarely get to try. And since I know that he sells these events, I can take his views with as many pinches of salt as I see fit - as can anyone else here.
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by wrcstl » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:33 am

David Cobbold wrote:Dear Robin
I have long admired your site and the balanced nature of your comments on all kinds of topics.
So I quite agree that it is regrettable that my first contribution to your forum should take the form of a criticism of another contributor. I am not in the habit of doing this, but I fell upon the entry of François Audouze and felt I had to react. My apologies for such an apparently hostile tone as a first contribution. I will try to be more positive in the future. Nevertheless I meant what I said, and have justified this in response to a contributor to your site.
I consider that Audouze is using your forum as an advertising platform for his dinners, whereas I have nothing to sell to your readers. I am simply responding to a posting as a wine lover who has something to say.


David,
A fair enough response to what seemed to be rather harsh criticism. I did not know Francois was in the business of selling wine dinners so when reading his posts this does not come to mind. In defense of rather positive notes to very old wines I would have to be slightly forgiving. If a wine is undrinkable then it should be called such but when drinking older wines I find the part of history to be a very positive when commenting on the wines. It is amazing to drink a wine older than I am and in one case I drank a wine older than my father. If it is "just OK" then it is excellent. A TN on an '89 Bordeaux is another issue. Just my comment and welcome.
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by Robin Garr » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:42 am

David Cobbold wrote:So I quite agree that it is regrettable that my first contribution to your forum should take the form of a criticism of another contributor. I am not in the habit of doing this ...


Enough said, then, and I'm not inclined to dwell on it, beyond repeating the gentle reminder that civil conversation is important to us here, and we do discourage personal attacks.

That behind us, I'll simply say, welcome to the forum, David. We'll look forward to talking with you about wine.
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by Bob Parsons Alberta » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:38 pm

and we do discourage personal attacks. Well said boss! I was shocked to see what has developed here. As someone interested in wine history, French cuisine, having worked in Paris, I have always admired Francois. This thread from DC, (despite his apology), was a disgrace.
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Sam Platt » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:54 pm

Francois is a very decent man who responds promptly to private coorespondence even from neophytes such as myself. He writes with great passion about the wines he drinks. I, for one, look forward to reading his notes. He makes no secret of his wine dinner business, and he does not go to lengths to advertise his dinners on this forum. For what it is worth Francois is more than well off financially from his previous employment and does not need income from the wine dinners to put food on his table. In fact, I doubt that he makes much money, if any, from the dinners. I hope that he does not stop posting his notes here as a result of personal attacks by newcomers to the forum.
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by David M. Bueker » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:01 pm

And indeed Francois has divulged his business in the past. There's no need to keep doing it over and over just to appease either newcomers or those who have forgotten (or never knew for some reason).

The information he presents is truly interesting, especially to me since I plan on holding some of my bottles until they reach 30-50 years old (as long as I reach 60-80).
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by Bob Ross » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:34 pm

" I hope that he does not stop posting his notes here as a result of personal attacks by newcomers to the forum."

It's worth mentioning, Sam, that Francois cross-posts his notes to many boards -- personally I'm delighted he posts them here. He also makes his writings available in French and English via an email update. There's quite a bit of history included in these postings -- I think the last email was over 180th in the collection.

Always interesting reading, and I find his English writing charming.

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by François Audouze » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:40 pm

I know one David Cobbold, who lives from making events with wines, and commenting wines in parties, and writing on wines.
Normally this should be the David Cobbold who wrote this comment, as he mentions that he knows me.
But when his web site was mentioned, with his picture, he seems to have denied, which could indicate that he is not the one I know. But how many David Cobbold exist ?
If he is whom I think, he is not an amateur who complains, but a professional selling dinners, selling his talks and selling his books. He is a man that I appreciate, as he has a very good sense for wine, and a great knowledge.

I have already explained my position, so I will say it again, as I am totally free to say the adventure that I am living. But before explaining, why did David shout about a “somewhat overplayed Paris restaurant with very salty food”, about an “English that should be re-written”, and about “overpriced dinners with a bunch of variable (i.e. sometimes excellent, sometimes indifferent) wines.” ?
Such a comment is not the normal question of someone not knowing precisely what I do, but a real attack.

I will not answer to the attacks as they show an excessive anger (I find it not very elegant to attack me on my English), but I will say again what is my position.

I have managed during my life very important companies in the steel industry, and I have had a successful career which has let me when I retired with a comfortable financial situation.
During my active life, I have constituted a very great cellar, as it consists in more than 35,000 bottles, among which, and now it begins to be unusual, more than 10,000 wines before 1945. And I have never sold any wine, as I consider that if I wanted a wine, it is to drink it and not sell it.
A large majority of my friends have drunk their Yquems only with me and their Pétrus and their DRC wines only with me. I have treated them rather conveniently, and I had still an enormous amount of wines to drink. I had then the idea of making dinners which would enlarge the circle of the ones who drink my wines. And I created a structure to make dinners, exclusively with my wines.
If I offered such dinners for free, this would be considered by many people as insulting. Who would I be to say to unknown people : come and drink with me a Pétrus 1934, it is for free ? People would say : he is crazy. So, I ask for a price to attend such a dinner, and contrarily to what David says, people are happy and come back regularly.
This company has sales per year which represent probably what were the sales of my company per hour of per two hours. It is ridiculously low, and I have declared losses every year as it is completely impossible to make profit on one dinner of ten people per month.
I consider that this is not profit oriented, as the profit that I could look for would be completely negligible compared with my other sources of income.
I had temptation to transform my company in a foundation, to show that profit is not what interests me. I did it for the “academy for ancient wines”, and I will probably do it for my company, to escape such uninformed criticism.
This said, if we suppose that it is profit oriented or not, should I stay silent on what I drink ?
I have written about all my experiences on wines. This makes 240 bulletins that I send freely every week to amateurs (David receives every week my bulletin, so, it is difficult for him to pretend to be uninformed), which represent 761 events on which I have talked. Among these 761 events, 90 represent dinners for which I have asked for money. So 671 events existed without money involved.
As I have the chance to drink wines which are very uncommon, and for which some people are jealous by saying that my old wines should not be good (very classical criticism of people who have not drunk the wines, with which I live if the diners come back again and again), I think that it is better that I talk about these events instead of hiding them.
I think that not so many members of this pleasant forum were assaulted by me for commercial reasons.

I am completely relaxed about such criticism as I am completely free to do what I want as I have no commercial interest to protect. I have in my cellar wines for more than 50 years of dinners, and if I abandon this activity, the wines will still be in my cellar, not lost. What I will lose is the losses of these dinners. But my close family has not the capacity to absorb so many wines.
I came on this forum as one member asked me to present some of my adventures on this interesting forum on which I am not active enough, please forgive me. I discussed freely about my situation with Robin.
If David is the one whom I know, I am sad that he presents himself so rudely.
He said : “Please explain to me what is the point of so much verbiage”.
If would ask him : “Please explain to me what is the point of so much aggressiveness”. This is a very curious beginning on a forum.

I know that my English in this answer should be rewritten, so please forgive me. :D
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by wrcstl » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:41 pm

Wow!!!! What a coincidence. Profile says a David Cobbold is in the wine business and he also has posted 11 posts, same as the other David Cobbold. You would think he would have mentioned that in the post so guess he is indeed a different guy.

Now, Francois, what about '59 vs '61, vs '62?

A wiser man would have let this die but I tried and could not, sorry Robin.

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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by François Audouze » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:11 pm

Walt,
Sorry if I was not wise enough, but a forum is very different from what happens in real life. It is impossible that we look at each other in the eyes.
This explains why attacks can be made more easily.

Concerning 59, 61 and 62.
The most famous year is 61. But more and more, people realise that 59 is equal, and for some wines above.
I have adored Petrus 61. But I have had more emotion with Petrus 59.
On the contrary, drinking Palmer 59 and 61 in the same dinner, I found that the 61 was above the very famous 59 which I had considered before as the great succes of Palmer.
The Haut-Brion 61 is immense, as is Ducru-Beaucaillou 61, a very splendid wine, unexpected at this level.
Ausone 59 is probably the best ever Ausone that I have drunk.
Cheval Blanc 61 is a complete success.
So, I would consider that 59 and 61 are top years, performing for one wine either in 59 or in 61 better than the other, with no obvious rule.

Now 62
Here is my experience for 62 in Bordeaux :
"Y" d'Yquem en demie - 1962
Château Duhart-Milon, Pauillac 1962
Château Fombrauge - 1962
Château La Gaffelière Naudes - 1962
Château Lafite Rothschild - 1962
Château Lafite Rothschild - 1962
Château Latour - 1962
Château Latour - 1962
Château Lynch-Bages - 1962
Château Margaux 1962
Château Mouton Rothschild 1962
Château Ormes de Pez - 1962
château Rouget 1962
Clos Fourtet Saint-Emilion - 1962
Graves blanc château Despagne - 1962

This is not really enough to build a conclusion, but I would say that it is a year which is very elegant, discrete, and hidden by 59 and 61 without a real justification. Of course it has not the level of these monster years. But it is a very pleasant year, with a great solidity giving wines always good to drink.

I will fly to San Francisco in the next 12 hours, and during my stay, I will not go on internet. So I will not be (probably) in a position to answer other possible comments.

Thank you for the nice comments which were made that I consider as very friendly.
Old wines are younger than what is generally considered
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H. Jayer 89, Nuits

by Brian K Miller » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:12 pm

I just want to chime in in appreciation of Francoise' posts here. I could care less if he is or is not "selling" the dinners. I enjoy reading his frank, emotional descriptions about a subject about which he is so passionate. I love the English-it is enjoyable to read and gets the point across perfectly clearly.
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Re: Dinner with Ch. Margaux 34, Palmer 59, Cros Parantoux H.

by Bob Henrick » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:48 pm

M. Andouze,
Please understand sir that this comes from one who proclaims himself as the forum curmudgeon. In another thread on this forum just today I remarked that there are some posters here who I admire and always want to read. You are one of those posters. I drink old wines from 30,40,50 or even 100+ years of age only through reading your reports. I must point out too that it is well known here on the WLDG that for some of these dinners you produce there is a charge. How could there not be? I might also note that you have never advertised one of these dinners seeking attendees. So, speaking as a curmudgeon, I will go on record as saying "Keep those reports coming" and maybe we will even get you on this side of the Atlantic for a gathering in Michigan around the third weekend of August known as Mo'Cool!
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