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WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

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WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by Dale Williams » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:04 am

Last June there was a discussion on another forum about 2005 Bordeaux prices. My friend Matt posted some incredible opening prices on some First Growths, and our English buddy Ian felt they couldn't maintain, with a bold prediction of a big drop in one year. I felt the prices were high, but doubted bubble burst within a year. Ian and I entered into a bet - if 3 selected 1sts (Mouton, Latour, and Margaux) dropped 20% in one year, Ian won. If they increased 10% or more, I won. In between, no winner. Prize was to be a mature Bdx worth $150+. Well, the Mouton was a dog, but Margaux appreciated nicely, and Latour soared. It came in at 11%.

Ian was a good sport about his narrow loss, but it seemed silly to exchange a bottle. So instead we agreed that Ian would contribute a First Growth, and myself, Matt, and Arv (who was designated judge) bring other wines from same vintage to a dinner. So last night we met at Vice Versa in Manhattan. Arv's wife Jen joined us, as did our friend David  who was in US for a big Zachys auction he helped set up (he said prices were very strong Friday).

Food was pretty good, though place was very loud. I had a  half order of strozzapreti ( ''Strangled Priest'' pasta) with duck ragu, and suckling pig with grilled endive. There wasn't a dog in the bunch of wines:

1992 Potinet-Ampeau "Perrieres" Meursault 1er
So at first pour this was almost clear, with light butterscotch over pear fruit. But in literally a minute colored had darkened considerably, and some nutty oxidative notes entered. Quite drinkable, but I felt it was dying in glass. But the funny thing was after the oxidative notes started, it kind of hung in stasis for a couple hours. A couple sips with the cheese plate were about the same as those 5 minutes after pouring. Pear, spice, mineral, hazelnuts; too thin to really be taken for a 1er, but ok. B/B-

1989 Certan de May (Pomerol)
I had decided to double-decant this before getting on train. And good thing- corked to the max. Luckily I had one more bottle, and decanted it (though it didn't have time to stand first). Very sweet black plum fruit, a hint of mocha. There's just a touch of barnyard after a while, not intrusive. Smooth, although maybe a little less lush texturally than a true top Pomerol, I still found this quite enjoyable, and mourn the corked bottle. Holds up well over 2 hours. A-/B+

1975 Le Gay (Pomerol)
A little bretty, high acids, noticable tannins. David says this is "very 1975" and I can see what he means. Broad-shouldered, brawny, top especially long. I don't like as much as a recent '75 L'Evangile, but still a good showing. Pomerols have generally been my favorite '75s. B

1989 Beychevelle (St Julien)
I'm not usually a big Beychevelle fan, but I like this a lot. Good acidity, resolved tannins, redder fruit than other wines this night. Lots of herbs and cedar, maybe most "a pointe" wine of evening. A-

1989 Grand Puy Lacoste (Pauillac)

Softer than expected, seemingly pretty mature, plum and blackberry fruit, low acid, light tannins. B+

1989 Lynch Bages (Pauillac)
I've always liked this wine, but this is one of the better showings. A very Mouton-esque exoticism, lush, spicy black fruits, lots of coffee aromas. Entering plateau, but plenty of structure. A-

1989 Lafite Rothschild (Pauillac)
Young and trying to burst out, a thoroughbred straining at the leads  Lovely rich and dense fruit, just developing its secondary aromas, but clean cedar/lead pencil and some earth. This needs time, but classic Lafite -elegant yet powerful. A

1988 Henschke Mount Edelstone
I think I don't have any Australians cellared outside some Penfolds 389s from the 90s, but it's wines like this (as well as some Yarra Yerring, Parker Estates, etc ) that make me realize that's a mistake. Rich and ripe, yet with structure and backbone, and some elegance to boot. Nothing over the top here, sweet but not the least bit candied. Lovely wine. A-

Fun evening with a nice crew. Timing was perfect- I strolled up 9th Ave on a lovely fall evening and got to Lincoln Center as Betsy came out. Thanks to Ian for his good sportsmanship, and to all for their great wine contributions.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency
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Re: WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by MikeH » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:42 pm

Thanks Dale!!!

When you said the L-B was entering a plateau, did you mean it was peaking? Time to start drinking? Or something else?

Thanks.
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Re: WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by Dale Williams » Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:53 pm

I just meant entering plateau of maturity. I think drinking now (based on this bottle) will give you a pretty good idea of what it has. My usual feeling re evolution of a very good Bordeaux is that it's amazing but very primary at release, shuts down, then opens a bit gradually-giving more and more. Then there's a plateau where for 10-15 years (we're talking big guns here) it doesn't change that much. I think that's where '89 LBages is now.
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Re: WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by Matt Richman » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:24 pm

I had a lot of fun, thanks to Ian and Dale for including me. Here are my notes on the wines:

Certan de May 1989:
A little dusty initially with a very nice sweet cassis core. Lively with some nice acidity and intense espresso. Finishes a little light. I think I liked this more than some other people around the table did.
B++

Le Gay 1975:
Acidic with sweet center, hard tannins, and a long dusty acidic finish.
B

Beychevelle 1989:
A bit stiff with bitter leather. Some nice fruit and long dark tannic finish. Others liked this more than I did, I ultimately found it more acidic than I like.
B/B+

Grand Puy Lacoste 1989:
Soft & lush with some nice dark mocha notes. Not a lot of structure, but some acidity. Pleasant but not thrilling.
B/B+

Lynch Bages 1989:
Sweet, dense, lush, beautiful core. Warm, full and complex with dark coffee and light herb. Very long finish. Silky and warm. Ready to drink. Wonderful.
A/A+

Lafite 1989:
Herbal, dense and acidic. Quite a bit of structure. Very long finish with some acid. Quite complex. Expansive and elegant. Not ready to drink at the moment, but showing a lot of promise. This will be wonderful.
A

Henschke Mt Edelstone Shiraz 1988:
Sweet, syrup core with acidic edges. Dense, silky, thick. Coffee and some mint. Well recieved around the table, but I found it less exciting.
B
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Re: WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by Jenise » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:17 pm

Did you expect the Mouton to lag?
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Re: WTN: Bet Dinner -'89s inc Lafite & L-Bages, 75 Le Gay, '88 Henschke, etc

by wrcstl » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:10 pm

Dale
Thanks for the notes. Got 5 bottles of L-B and have been wondering when to open one. Sounds like no hurry. I have opened sereral bottles of the '89 GPL over the last few years and have never been impressed. Think they just had an off year.
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