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WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:12 pm

Ever since buying two Argentinian cabs that were full of excessively toasted oak, which I hate, I've mostly avoided Argentinian wine. That is, I don't buy it, and the occasional opportunity to taste someone else's Argentines hasn't persuaded me that I'm missing anything. There have been no WOW moments.

But I have to buy malbec for our neighborhood tasting in September, so I bought ten malbecs available locally to sample and invited six friends over to help. For shopping, I had with me a list gleaned here that included Trapiche, Catena Alta, Archaval Ferrer, Luca, Vina Cobos and Miguel Escorihela Gascon. I was willing to spend up for my own education even if I couldn't afford those for the big tasting, but in fact I didn't end up stumbling over any of those names or any Argentine malbec over $25 so our range was basically cheap-shit-to-middlin'. (Bob Parsons is probably the only person who should read past this point. :wink: )

Also included in this tasting was a Washington malbec that came highly reccomended by a friend and major wine collector, but who loves big ripe "liquid candy" (his words) kind of wines. The wines were served in pairs and tasted over two days.

A1) 2005 Secreto, $7, 14.5% abv
Surprising magenta color. Juicy, flowers, pepper, simple/friendly/appealing. Six first place votes (including mine). Day two: big berry nose, sweet red fruit, extract, put on weight overnight, average plus.

A2) 2005 Montes Reserva, Chile, $10, $14% abv
Boysenberry, leather, vodka, extracted, seems artificial, hot finish which the other did not have though this supposedly has lower alcohol. Tastes more like 15-plus. But it was brawnier than wine 1, so it got two votes. Day two: still below average.

B1) 2004 Zolo, $11, 13.8%
Neither bad nor good, balanced but boring. Two votes. Day two: wow, where'd all this brett come from? DNPIM.

B2) 2003 Martino, $15, 13.5%
Sweet red licorice, raspberry tones, interesting, grippy, and leathery secondary nuances. Finally, real wine. Six votes. Day two: bright fruit, juicy but no jam, friendly, almost zinny with a nice bramble streak (if zin had this much acid), and the wine positively danced with the chimmichurri sauce. Very good.

C1) 2005 Dona Paula "Los Cardos", $8
Spicy, peppery, bright. Could get more interesting. Three votes. Day two: it got more interesting. Savory, whiff of smoke and roasted meat. Nice.

C2) 2005 Ricardo Santos, Las Madras vineyard, $16, 13.9%
Smokey, bold berry, woodsy, quite savory, structured, probably not showing all. Five votes. Day two: more of everything on day one plus tar, black pepper and pipe tobacco. Very manly, and our favorite on day two.

D1) 2005 Gougenheim, $10
Juicy, pomegranate, basil, complex, pinot-spice, no obvious oak or tannins, svelte and stylish. Great value, and though it received no votes because the next wine was so good, it might have garnered all the votes in any other flight. Day two: caramel! Somewhat less delineated and less interesting, but who cares, for $10 buy and drink every drop on Day One.

D2) 2005 Ben Marco, $20
Deep and lush, well-oaked but not objectionable, espresso, savory, masculine. 8 votes. None left over for Day Two.

E1) 2004 Mendel, $25, 14%
Monotone jammy raspberry flavors. A waste. No votes. Day two: still wasted. Jammy nose, slightly pre-ox, simple.

E2) 2005 Susanna Balbo Cabernet Sauvignon, $25, 13.9%
I boo-booed and picked up a CS instead of a malbec, which this retailer also had, but the mistake went undetected until we were searching the bottle for the alcohol numbers. Very sweet and merlotish, with lavender, lemon tart, and raspberry jam notes, grippy. None of us cared for it. Day Two: still sweet, still tannic, still merlotish. Eh.

F1) 2005 Tildeo, Washington state, $20, 13.9%
Big nose of roses and toasty vanilla oak, pomegranate, black raspberry, extracted, creamy sweet, would guess syrah, only 146 cases produced. Any of the other ten wines would have gotten 8 votes over this one from this crowd. Day two: oh yuck--now we have volatile acidity, too. Blueberry, licorice, huge oak. This is exactly the kind of wine I hate this state for making--malbec shmalbec, the underlying grape could be just about anything.

Then for yucks I threw in the only Argentine wine in my own cellar, a 2000 Susanna Balbo Brioso, which is her Bordeaux blend. It was pickly like an overheated Frambois, with that Lodi/bugspray brand of jamminess that I just detest. I had liked this wine when it was young and bought a few bottles, but they didn't age well at all--each bottle was less good than the one before it. Is seven years really too much to ask?
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Michael Malinoski » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:50 pm

Jenise, thanks for the notes. Looks like a mixed bag, with a few fine finds in there but also some duds. I'll keep an eye out for some of your winners.

A few weeks back, I had warned against the '04 Mendel for drinking any time soon--sounds like you clearly concur. My note:

2004 Mendel Malbec Mendoza. Dark purple colored. The nose reminds me of bike tires, motor oil, smoke, nettles and some black cherry. Not really my cup of tea at all. In the mouth, it is big and fruity with a big hit of alcoholic warmth and notes of bitter chocolate and cherry syrup. It is actually pretty nicely textured without overly ponderous weight, but it is a bit jumbled and showing just too much heat for me right now.

By the way, stay away from that bugspray jam!

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Carl Eppig » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:00 pm

Thanks for including the prices and alcohol levels Jenise; always helpful.

Cheers, Carl
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:31 pm

Eh what...... Doris here. Tasting notes seem quite varied as are the wines posted on the Open Mike!!!! I too ticked/deleted the Mendel off my list. The Crios malbec is centre stage right now here at the ranch, very jammy and not my style. Gosh, someone has to taste these wines.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by rumpole » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:51 am

Jenise,

Malbec is near to my heart as I have made a malbec from Wahluke Slope fruit the last 3 years. Its true that Washington malbec does not yet approach the characteristics produced in Mendoza, Argentina. But, there are some very good Washington "malbec" wines. If you have the chance, Barnard Griffin, Fidelitas, and Willis Hall have made some very good malbecs. The grape has not yet shown the consistent character marked by the good Mendoza wines, but they are very good wines. Some very good Washington winemakers are now making malbecs - don't give up on them yet.

By the way - 2 very good and affordable Mendoza malbecs:

2006 Bodegas Esmeralda Malbec Tilia (Argentina, Mendoza) $10

2004 Bodega Renacer Malbec Punto Final Reserva (Argentina, Mendoza, Valle de Uco, La Consulta) $19
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:23 am

I enjoyed reading your notes there Jenise and I thought.."see give this malbec 24 hrs and it will sort of sing!!" That is exactly what has happened with my newly released Crios malbec, overnight has given the wine a lot more grip and not the jammy monster I mentioned last night.

It is interesting to read the comments here on Washington, I did not know that malbec was starting to gain a foothold.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:37 pm

Rumpole said:
The grape has not yet shown the consistent character marked by the good Mendoza wines, but they are very good wines.


To be expected, as ditto barbera, sangiovese, etc. And I know there can and would be some very good ones, the problem with the Tildio was simply my dislike for that kind of winemaking. For lovers of the "liquid candy" style, it might be exceptional.

Thanks for the reccos on the other two Malbecs--I'm going to keep on trying/buying these. Even this small sampling, and even though none scored higher than at best four on a five star scale, was enough to make the sale for Argentina as a source of outstanding values.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:07 pm

Jenise, the `05 Dona Paula is on my list. Did you think this wine is more of a "modern" style, know what I mean? The `04 was a bit of a miss with me but possibly this `05 signals a return to the tradition.
I missed out on the regular Ben Marco but expect to see it on the shelves again soon.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Alejandro Audisio » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:53 am

Great notes and very interesting thread. Its too bad you could not source some of the better Malbecs from Argentina, but availability in the different US markets is still tough unless you live in a State where you can shop online and still then you have do dig around various sources to find a good selection of Argentine wines.

Your notes on the Brioso are comparable to my assessment of this wine... Susana has done well with this style, it seems to match what her US importer has been asking her for. The OTT style does have its fans... Im remembering your collector friend that likes liquid candy. The current vintage Brioso has been somewhat toned down the candy-ness... but the 2000 vintage that I recall from my personal cellar tasted to me just like you describe it, although I didnt get the heat that you have mentioned. FWIW, Ive not purchased the Brioso for my personal cellar since the 2000 vintage.

I would suggest you try to obtain the following wines to get a more complete reading on Argentine Malbec.

Cobos El Felino Malbec (made by Paul Hobbs)
Achaval Ferrer Malbec Mendoza
Catena Alamos Malbec
Norton Reserve Malbec

All the above should be available in California... dont know if that helps your sourcing. Your location reads Pacific North West so Im guessing Seattle..???

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:15 am

Doris, I would call the Dona Paula 'international', though without much of a baseline for malbec, I can only apply the standards I'm familiar with from Bordeaux and Italian wines, say, and arrive at international simply because it was neither obviously old world (like the Ricardo Santos) or slicked up/candied.

Alejandro, thanks for those names. How does the Catena Alamos differ from the Catena Alta? And the Norton Reserve, is that also known as the Le Privada?
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:39 am

Here is an update on Catena. Later this month, here in Edmonton, we will taste through each of the single vineyard Malbecs that are blended together to create the Catena Alta Malbec. The `03 Alta is comprised of malbec from the following vineyards..................

Lot 18 Angelica.
Lot 4 La Piramide.
Lot 1 Altamira.
Lots 3 and 9 of the Adrianna vineyard.

We get to taste all wines then the final blend. Should be a great evening, direct flights to Edmonton from Seattle, LA, Phoenix, Salt Lake City etc!!!!
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by James Dietz » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:05 am

There may be a reason Malbec is used as a blending grape in France...

My experience with Malbec is that, at it's best, it is still rustic and rough around the edges. But then, after a few efforts, I don't really try much either.. kinda like my experience with creamed corn.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Alejandro Audisio » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:02 pm

Jenise wrote:Alejandro, thanks for those names. How does the Catena Alamos differ from the Catena Alta? And the Norton Reserve, is that also known as the Le Privada?


Hi... the Catena Alamos is one of the entry level wines, and is very very different to the Catena Alta line of label which is one of their Premium offerings, with fruit coming from the best available grapes of each harvest.

The Norton Reserve and the Privada are also two different labels.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Alejandro Audisio » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:07 pm

James Dietz wrote:There may be a reason Malbec is used as a blending grape in France...

My experience with Malbec is that, at it's best, it is still rustic and rough around the edges. But then, after a few efforts, I don't really try much either.. kinda like my experience with creamed corn.


Hi James.... I would love to read which Malbecs you have been trying, as it seems they have been the wrong ones... :wink:

Im not sure I follow your French blending grape remark.... as the concept of a single grape is usually not a concept associated with France. Another way to see this is that the French have been incapable of breeding a superior Malbec, somthing that has been clearly proven in various Terroirs of Argentina.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:47 pm

Alejandro, since this earlier post I have tried the Catena Alamos. Didn't care for it, found it too modern--grapey and extracted. Much more to my liking at a similar price point was the Caro Amancayo.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Sue Courtney » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:16 am

Jenise,
The first wine 'Secreto' = is that the Viu Manent Secreto Malbec from Chile - or another 'Secreto'.

I had the Viu Manent Secreto Malbec 2006 (Colchagua Valley, Chile) last ngiht, and this is so purple in colour, aroma and taste, it couldn't be anything other than Malbec. It's a stunning example.
I wonder if it is from the same producer as the 2005 wine you review.

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:25 am

Sue, it's the VM indeed. I didn't understand the name difference at the time I posted my note, but came to realize it later.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Clint Hall » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:45 am

Jenise, I too have never been WOWed by a Malbec but I've enjoyed lots of pleasant little Cots, which is what they call Malbecs in the Loire. Louis/Dressner does a fine job of selecting Cots and sells them for next to nothing. Sometimes they are a hundred percent Malbec but often they are blends, and they tend to have good acid, bright fruit, and not a hint of candy. Here's a typical example:

2005 Domaine de la Pepiere Cuvee Granit Vin de Pays du Jardin de la France, Marches de Bretagne "Jardin de la France" is just a fancy name for the Loire. According to Joe Dressner, the Cot in this one is supplemented with Cab Franc, Merlot (sic) and Gamay - but the prevailing aromas and flovors are fairly typical Cot. The price was a measly $9.96 after discount. This isn't the sort of wine you want to drink without food, and not in his wildest dreams would Parker call it hedonistic, but it's a food-friendly little sipper, with enough delightful tart cherry flavors to persuade me to buy a case, and I'm now down to my last bottle. Would I take it to a tasting? That's not what these wines are made for.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Covert » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:30 am

Jenise wrote:There have been no WOW moments.


Hi Jenise,

Don't you buy and drink such stuff for intellectual, educational and social reasons? How could you ever expect to be wow'ed by such stuff after you have experienced great Bordeaux and Burgundy?

I have again bought a bunch of such wines (not quite so low as South American, but some less pedigreed European wines). I don't have much intellectual curiosity about them; I think I feel that I must slum a bit from time to time to retain my humanity.

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:52 am

Clint, I've read about the Cuvee Granit here with some envy. Have yet to see a bottle around, but I am definitely a fan of the Clos Roche Blanche Cot. Great QPR.

Covert, you're right to some extent. But I am also capable of experiencing, within a category, a wow-this-is-so-much-better-than-I-expected without being transfixed the way I would be a Bordeaux since I am, as you say, on an intellectual/educational mission. That is to say, when I taste 12 or 15 wines in a night and pass around letter grades, the A's given out are only relative to the B's and C's in that group, not the other A's I'd give on any other night to any other set of wines, Bordeaux or otherwise. Capiche?
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Clint Hall » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:05 pm

Jenise, you say you can't find the Granite; well, then there's the 2005 Domaine de la Pepiere Cepage CotVin de Pays du Jardin de la France Marches de Bretagne. A$8.30 (in September 2006 after my discount) you can afford to pour it down the drain if you don't like it. I bught eight bottles and thought I had our house charcuterie wine until the Granite appeared. The Cot is rustic by comparison but for education purposes maybe it's a better bet than the Granite as the Cot is all Malbec. The 2005 may have disappeared but by now the 2006 should be out, although I haven't tried it. Another Louis/Dressner wine.
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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Alejandro Audisio » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:11 pm

Covert wrote:Don't you buy and drink such stuff for intellectual, educational and social reasons? How could you ever expect to be wow'ed by such stuff after you have experienced great Bordeaux and Burgundy?

I have again bought a bunch of such wines (not quite so low as South American, but some less pedigreed European wines). I don't have much intellectual curiosity about them; I think I feel that I must slum a bit from time to time to retain my humanity.

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Jenise » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:50 pm

Alejandro Audisio wrote:With regards from the Slums....

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Re: WTN: Trying to understand Malbec

by Robert J. » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:46 pm

I think that Andeluna makes good malbec at three price levels. Check them out.

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