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by Nicholas Grenier » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:40 pm

The following is a glimpse into an atypical weekend for this aspiring wine geek. 8) Part 1 consists of my attempt, the following morning, to write tasting notes on the multitude of wines that were tossed around on Saturday, at Joe Perry's wedding. Part 2 (which will be posted seperately in the near future) is an account of Sunday's Foie Gras Death Match 2007, a hedonistic event involving 8 of Portland, Maine's finest culinary show-offs, 8 courses utilizing Foie Gras, and a stellar lineup of wine.

First, I want to thank the winos at table 4 for being as welcoming as they were. It was a pleasure to celebrate the marriage of Amy and Joe with such characters.

Disclaimer: Having recently begun taking notes on wine, as well as only beginning to cultivate an appreciation for wine within the last year, my palate and ability to describe what I'm tasting is still quite novice. That said, here goes nothing...


2005 Donnhoff Oberhauser Brucke Riesling Spatlese (Magnum) - Tropical fruit with underlying mineral flavors, still young, but clean, rich, and sweeter than I expected of a Spatlese.

Krug Grande Cuvee NV (Magnum) - My first Krug, out of a plastic Champagne flute. Layers of toast, baked pear, candied citrus, and bread dough. Lively effervescence with great length and power on the finish. Not bad at all! :wink:

Bossard-Thuaud Sparkling Muscadet NV - Though an interesting comparison, having tasted them back to back, Krug is a tough act to follow. The Muscadet, my first sparkling of the kind, showed a bit more funk, with emphasis on yeast and bread dough notes. It was still nice and I imagine that without the daunting presence of Krug, it would have been better appreciated.

1998 Jean Grivot Echezeaux Grand Cru - Earth, baking spices, and some Burgundian funk mixed into the stewed red berries. Silky on the palate, with mature fruit flavors and an elegant finish. I tasted this almost immediately after the bottle was opened, giving it very little time to open. It seemed a bit reserved initially and had I not had the following wines tugging at my sleeve to be tasted, I would have gladly spent more time with this one.

1985 Charles Heidsieck Cuvee Charlie - At this point, the pace at which bottles were passed around the table far exceeded this newbie's capacity to keep up. I don't remember details beyond thinking that this was a beautiful Champagne.

1994 Ridge Geyserville Zinfandel - In a blind tasting, I would have thought Old World, and definitely not Zinfandel. It showed masculine leather aromas mixed with mature red fruit. Refined and drinking very well.

2002 Stanislao Radikon Oslavje - This won the award for most unique wine of the night in my opinion, so much so that I think it's beyond my ability to properly describe. It was rich, complex, and I liked it. :D

1997 Vatan Sancerre - I was told that this was a "homemade" wine in the sense that it is a very small production and can only be obtained by visiting Vatan in the Loire. All I could hear was David, on my right, raving about its caramel aromas. Not what I would expect out of Sancerre, but intriguing nonetheless.

2004 Jacky Truchot Morey-St.-Denis 1er Cru "Les Blamchards" - Less dense than the Echezeaux, with more primal, earthy notes dominating.

2005 Francois Chidaine "Clos Habert" Montlouis sur Loire - A light yet complex Chenin with citrus, minerals, and slightly sweet on the palate.

1990 Jos Jos Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese (Magnum) - Despite the headache that I have while writing these notes the following morning, I'm still salivating over the memory of this wine. It showed the classic notes I look for in aged Riesling. Petrol and apple dominated the nose and palate, while the texture was rich and viscous.

1997 Vietti Barolo riserva "Villero" - Powerful tar, truffle, and floral aromas gave way to a medium-bodied, slightly feminine palate. Among my top 5 of the night.

1996 Berres Urziger Wurzgarten Riesling Auslese - Very clean with strong honey and apple notes. Good texture on the palate, retaining a decent amount of acid, which made it seem very refreshing at this point in the haphazard lineup.

1998 Michel Ogier "La Rosine" Syrah - An odd jump from Riesling, but great typicity and flavor. Straightforward, but enjoyable.

1995 Leroy Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru - Joe was kind enough to offer me the last wee pour of his second prized wine of the night (the first being the Bollinger VV that I sadly missed). I’m not going to attempt to describe the wine since I don’t think I’m yet capable of doing it justice. I am pretty sure that my left leg was twitching when I took that tiny sip, though.

1995 Corison Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley - My palate was still screaming for more Vougeot. I, unfortunately, don't remember this wine.

1998 Gaec Vernay Cote-Rotie - Mmmm...bacon fat

1995 Paul Jaboulet Aine Hermitage "La Chapelle" - When I was driving home to Maine at the end of the night, I got a mild whiff of a nearby farm and thought to myself, "Does the fact that this vividly reminds me of the Hermitage I had tonight, and that I enjoy when faint barnyard smells conjure surreal memories of Northern Rhone wines, mean that there is no turning back from this inevitable path towards complete and utter wine geekery?" That aside, this Hermitage showed lots of meaty, smoky, peppery elements that kept the barnyard aromas in moderation. Very manly.

1990 Chateau d'Yquem – This was comparable to a blind date that you’ve anticipated all week, hearing from your friends that he or she is absolutely gorgeous and wonderful, and that you’ll be utterly swept off your feet, to actually get to the date and find that despite the fact that, yes, they are rather attractive, they simply don’t do it for you. You then wonder if there’s something you’re missing, begin questioning your taste, contemplating your sexuality, etc.

2003 Moelleaux Foreau Vouvray - Stellar nose of complex, almost creamy fruit. Thick, oily palate. Quite the expression of Chenin. This is a blind date I wouldn’t be disappointed with one bit!

1997 Joh. Jos. Christoffel Erben Erdener Treppchen Riesling Auslese - This wine was a close tie with the 90 Jos Jos Prum and I think my notes would be nearly identical.

Billecort-Salmon Brut Reserva NV - A strange way to end a strange lineup. This bottle was left neglected in the ice bucket until someone decided to pop the cork at the end of the night. It may be the fact that this followed several stickies, but it smelled somewhat briny, reminding my partner of the salty, ocean air we wake up to every morning in Portland. Regardless, it was a crisp, refreshing finish to an extravagant night.
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Re: He who lurks in the shadows comes forth with a plethora of WTNs

by Matt Richman » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:57 pm

I've found many 2005 German rieslings to be sweeter than I'd expect or hope.

I agree with your note on the Geyserville. The aged Ridge zins I've had have surprised me--not what I expected. I really like them.
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by Clinton Macsherry » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:09 pm

Nicholas--
Welcome aboard, and I for one won't hold your apparent affiliation with the Perry kid against you. Great notes. Look forward to reading more. Cheers!
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by Kyrstyn Kralovec » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:28 pm

Great notes, Nicholas.

I'm always amazed at people who can capture and impart such details after the sixth or so wine of the evening. Even if we're doing small pours and dumping some, I just lose track and start gabbing.

Look forward to reading about the Foie Gras Death Match!
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Re: He who lurks in the shadows comes forth with a plethora of WTNs

by Dale Williams » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:46 pm

thanks for the notes.
My strategy for 2005 Germans (partially from listening to David B) is to not touch any for now, and to treat the Kabinetts as Spatlese, Spatlesen as Auslesen, etc. when I do open.
I always think the La Rosine a value.
Agree re aged Ridge.
I was planning on holding '05 Chidaine Clos Habert, do you think it too light to age?
Great first post!
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by Clint Hall » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:02 pm

Yes, good notes. Amazingly good when you consider the weird order in which the wines were tasted. Long before you went from three Ausleses and a d'Yquem to a brut Champagne my taste buds would have gone on strike.
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by Bill Buitenhuys » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:59 pm

Great notes there, Nick.
Ya, our table had the Bossard well before the Krug. In fact, when the Krug showed up I brought the Bossard to you guys. :D That said, it is a fun starter. Gotta agree with your impressions on the rest of the lineup. A few utterly amazing, lots of excellent, a couple out of place, and barely no duds. I don't think there was a corked wine all night either.

Dale, Habert is showing lots of depth on Day 2 and 3 if that is any indication of aging. I wont be opening another for a while.
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by James Roscoe » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:31 pm

Nicholas, welcome, any friend of Amy's is welcome here. Great job on the notes.
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by Charles Weiss » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:50 pm

Great notes Nick!
I think you were surrounded by the light of blazing wine geekdom rather than lurking in "The Shadow." With all due respect to the newly 60 year-old Steve Edmunds.
And now that you mention it, I'll try to avoid rinsing my glass with Krug to gear up for the sparkling Muscadet!

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by Rahsaan » Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:28 am

Raving about caramel in Vatan?

That is a curious sentence.

Do they really change that much with age.
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by Bill Buitenhuys » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:03 am

Piling my notes in with Nick's.....

2005 Donnhoff Oberhäuser Brücke Spatlese (Nahe) magnum. Very ’05. Lots of dense sweet fruit that just needs time. It’s very yummy now but having this much sugar early on in the night was rough. I hid my glass until well after the champagne onslaught and it was much better for me.

Bossard-Thuaud Mousseaux (Loire) Frothy, airy fun. This sparkler is a blend of folle blanche, muscadet and bits of chardonnay and cab franc. I don’t know what folle blanche tastes like but I could certainly taste the muscadet mixed with yeast and a slight touch of chocolate powder. I’m not sure why Guy Bossard puts out this wine under this label (Thuaud is his wife’s name) when he also bottles the very refreshing yet similar blend Ludwig Hahn sparkler under the Domaine de l’Ecu label.

Krug Grand Cuvée magnum. Now we are getting serious. From what I’d heard this has been cellared about 5 years. Lots of white fruit, very good depth, and extremely lengthy. This is really really good.

Billecart Salmon Brut Rosé This is one of my favorite NV rose champagnes. It’s very lively with lots of pink grapefruit flavors. Extemely refreshing.

1992 Bollinger Vielles Vignes Françaises This stuff isn’t champagne, it has to have a class of its own. It was amazing (scary?) to watch a slew of wine geeks (men and women) in consecutive orgasm all being induced by the stud groom as he went pouring from glass to glass. Extremely aromatic smoky, berry, citrus, fino mix with a light bead, enormous weight and a lovely texture. The flavors linger for minutes.

1985 Heidsieck Cuvée Charlie And now back to champagne champagne. Excellent, excellent aged bubbly with plenty of life and depth of flavor. Lots of leesy yeast, good minerality, and nice acidic balance.

2005 Chidaine Montlouis Sur Loire Clos Habert (Loire) The sweetness of the fruit is a bit of a shocker after these champers. I came back to this glass later and found a nicely balanced and very tasty wine. Ya, the acidity is buried right now but it’s definitely present. I really have loved everyone one of Chidaine’s ’05’s and plan on waiting a while before opening any more.

2002 Radikon Oslavje (Venezia Giulia) Radikon’s specially designed 1 liter bottle. One of more interestingly different wines of the night. A field blend of chardonnay, pinot grigio, and sauvignon. Lots of in your face power up front of honeyed fruit that moves to this complex, very dry mid-palate of dried cherry and yellow fruit with a bit of tannic structure. My only nit is that it comes up short on the finish but who cares as there is so much happening up to that point. (The lack of finish could have been my taste buds overloaded at this point as well).

1990 JJ Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese (magnum) This is beautiful. Creamy sweetness without being heavy at all, attractive petrol with ripe white fruit and pineapple and plenty of acidity. The finish carries for a good long time. Mouth coating, actually, while maintaining a lightness.

1998 Jean Grivot Echezeaux GC (Burgundy) Nicely maturing burg with earthiness, red fruit, and decent acidity. It’s really tough tasting this right after the Prum.

1994 Ridge Geyserville Nicely matured zin with dusty black fruit and well integrated tannins. Quite enjoyable.

2004 Jacky Truchot Morey St. Denis Les Blanchards (Burgundy) I wasn’t a big fan of this wine. It seemed big and clunky compared to the aged wines we were having.

1995 Corison Cabernet Sauvignon (Napa Valley) I really like Corison’s wines, and this one in particular, for their finesse and femininity (compared to the typical Cali Cab) but even this wine was like a 500 pound gorilla plopping down in the middle of a picnic. As others have said, it was just out of place. The good news for Corison lovers is that this wine has plenty of life left.

1995 Leroy Clos de Vougeot (Burgundy) I shared a tasted of this with David B as Joe was pouring the remnants of another gift to his wedding guests. Whoa. Great aromatics, silky structure, and really powerful flavor. Mouth…is…salivating…

1995 Jaboulet Hermitage La Chapelle (N. Rhône) Lots of smoked meats, rich dark fruit, blood, pepper, and a good whiff of farm. No need to rush and drink this one.

1998 GAEC Vernay Côte Rôtie (N. Rhône) Nice young CR. Lots of roasted fruit and bacon yumminess.

1997 Vatan Sancerre (Loire) Being sandwiched between two Rhônes didn’t do this wine any justice. I thought it was more rich and expressive than the ’97 Thomas-Labaille LMD we had recently (which I did like quite alot as well).

1999 Marcoux Chateauneuf-du-Pape Vielles Vignes (S. Rhône) I love this wine because of the purity of the expression of grenache. It’s aromatic, silky, and tasty. Can’t go wrong.

1990 Seghesio Barolo Vigneto La Villa (Piedmont) Like so many of its 1990 baroli brethren, this wine is still quite huge. Aromatic floral nose, it’s packed with fruit, and still has powerful structure. The last bottle that Charles opened (a couple of years ago ?) seemed much more mature than this one.

1990 Château d’Yquem (Sauternes) This wine makes me want to go out and buy more sweet chenin. Not a fan. Ya, it is richly flavored but, for me, it’s one dimensional.

1997 Christoffel Erdener Treppchen Auslese ** (Mosel) I know I poured this wine and probably even drank it, but I can’t recall a thing about it.

2003 Foreau Vouvray Moelleux Reserve (Loire) This wine also makes me want to go out and buy more sweet chenin, specifically this one. No vintages issues with this wine. There is plenty of power, plenty of flavor, and lots of acidity.

Billecart Salmon Brut Reserve (Champagne) Quite a palate cleaner! I can’t really say I tasted much at this point but I do remember this wine being very refreshing.
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Re: He who lurks in the shadows comes forth with a plethora of WTNs

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:24 pm

Tut tut Bill....no Muscadet!!!?
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by Bill Buitenhuys » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:18 pm

You must have missed the Bossard-Thuaud listing there, Bob. :wink:
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by Brian Gilp » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:13 pm

Nicholas Grenier wrote

1995 Leroy Clos de Vougeot Grand Cru - Joe was kind enough to offer me the last wee pour of his second prized wine of the night (the first being the Bollinger VV that I sadly missed). I’m not going to attempt to describe the wine since I don’t think I’m yet capable of doing it justice. I am pretty sure that my left leg was twitching when I took that tiny sip, though.


Thanks for this note. I now exactly what you mean. It brings back memories of my first Leroy. Actually my first two. Poor and in college and working part time at a winery, the owner told me the cheapest way to try a number of the wines I could not afford was to go to an auction for the pre-auction tasting. So that's what we did and headed to Chicago. I was there for the Bdx and did not even know Leroy. However, that changed the instant my girlfriend (wife now) came almost running to me with a glass in her hand almost out of breath telling me how I have to try this wine. It was a 1955 Volnay and while I could not do a description justice then, I am not sure I could do it justice now either. As if that was not enough, she was back in a few minutes with another one from these same Leroy people. This time it was the 1991 Musigny. To this day, these are probably the two greatest wines I have ever tasted.


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by David M. Bueker » Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:58 am

I would not exactly call it raving. Of course it was nearly impossible to be heard in the loud main room, so something like raving was required in order to make an impression.

As for 2005 Germans being too sweet - taste a few aged 1990s that have gotten too thin for lack of buffering sugar to age properly. Also it's more the case of the wines being a step or two above their pradikat, so you are getting auslese in your kabinett or spatlese bottle. Not much they can do about it given the increasingly warmer climate. 2007 looks to be yet another year of runaway ripeness (as was 2006).

I would age the Clos Habert. In fatc I bought some Thursday for that exact purpose after an event were I was able to try most of the 2005 Chdaine wines.
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by Bill Buitenhuys » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:08 pm

after an event were I was able to try most of the 2005 Chdaine wines.
Any other faves, David? I've been pretty impressed with Chidaine across the board for '05 but havent tried the Bouchet or Bournais yet. We had the Montlouis Brut sparkler last night and I'm going to go back for more.
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by David M. Bueker » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:53 am

The Les Bournais was delicious, as was the "dry" wine (don't recall the name & it tasted ever so slightly sweet). Everything was good, but it was interesting that the wines at the two extremes were the best to my taste.

I ended up buying a mixed case of 2 bottles each of the six wines they had available if that tells you anything. I did not realize until too late that they also had the sparkler. :cry:
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