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Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:49 am

I'm on a discussion panel at a regional distributor's tasting this afternoon, where we'll be tasting and talking about the following "interesting" wines. Should be tough duty, but somebody's got to do it. ;)

Anyway, all joking aside, these are (obviously) well-known marques, and I'm doing a little basic research on this end. But if any of you have thoughts, comments or offbeat wine trivia about any of the following, please post them ... I need all the help I can get. (No joke responses, please, as tempting as it may be. I've got so many deadlines today, if somebody tells me that Grange is Pinot-based, I might repeat that ... ) Also note that this is a distributor tasting, so I can be honest but shouldn't be nasty.

Louis Jadot Corton-Charlemagne 2003 ($200)
Domaine de la Romanee-Conti Romanee-Saint-Vivant 2004 ($950)
Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2004 ($130)
Penfolds Grange Shiraz 2001 ($240)
Tenuta San Guido Sassicaia 2002 ($250)
Chateau d' Yquem 2001 ($890)

(Prices shown are estimated Kentucky retail.)
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Bob Ross » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:48 am

Tanzer's [Reynolds] take on the Grange:

94 ST
Inky violet with a bright rim. Explosive and utterly captivating on the nose, offering a range of aromas that encompasses red and darker berries, flowers, cigar box, minerals and sexy oak spices. Quite broad on the palate, and packing a real punch to its flavors of cassis, boysenberry, candied plum, bitter chocolate and fruitcake. Serious, harmonious tannins give plenty of structural support. This expands and grows even sweeter with aeration, finishing with outstanding persistence. Oak spices add sex appeal. A superb Grange. 94 points
By Josh Raynolds
Stephen Tanzer's International Wine Cellar, Jul/Aug 06
--International Wine Cellar

I enjoyed this article on the DRC and the 2004 vintage:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 03184.html

Many critics -- including the widely read American Robert Parker -- dismissed the 2004 red Burgundies as "mediocre" or worse.

Difficult growing conditions made for a challenging vintage, but as Aubert de Villaine, who has served since 1964 as Domaine de la Romanée-Conti's co-director, recently noted at a tasting at New York City's Per Se restaurant: "It was a vintage to test our skills, and this is something we don't dislike, especially when it had a great finish leading to such fine music."

De Villaine likened the very ripe 2003 vintage to a brass band, and the classically proportioned 2002 vintage to a symphony. But the 2004 reds are, he says, like chamber music with subtle, delicate nuances appealing to connoisseurs. One might add that the 2004s have much to teach to those willing to apply de Villaine's insights more broadly.

The 2004 vintage reminded de Villaine of Napoleon's comments on the French victory at Marengo, Italy: "We lost the battle at 2 p.m. but got it back at 7 p.m."

Rain and cold conditions early in Burgundy's 2004 growing season led to mildew and odium in the vineyards.

A beneficial heat wave in July stressed the vines just before veraison, when the pinot noir berries began turning color. But in August, hail and botrytis molds again threatened to turn the harvest into a complete fiasco.

Beginning on Aug. 25, however, de Villaine said an "extraordinary about face" of six weeks of dry, clear and warm weather allowed the grapes to gain sugar rapidly and ripen properly. He gambled by waiting as long as possible to begin harvesting, with several passes through the vineyards just before autumnal rains swept in.

Since hail had damaged many clusters and the botrytis had shriveled many grapes, Domaine de la Romanee-Conti's workers at the winery's sorting table used extra efforts to ensure using only ripe and healthy fruit.

Upon removing the 2004 wines from the vats after the initial fermentation, the tasting results pleased de Villaine, who noted, "Only then did we know that what we had lost in August had been won again in September."

He says each 2004 wine has a clear link to its distinctive terroir -- that is, identifiable traits of each vineyard -- more so than in 2003, when extreme heat overwhelmed the grapes, and even, perhaps, to a greater degree than the much ballyhooed 2005 vintage, where supreme purity of fruit may mask terroir.

"Great wines must have spirituality with harmony, grace and elegance, but they must also be seductive so that they will be drunk," de Villaine said. "Some wines seduce later than others, but the 2004s have an early seductiveness that I like very much."

When the 2004s eventually enter a "dumb" stage in bottle, it is critical, he says, to remember that each vintage is different, and, like a person, evolves over time.

Having the patience to taste, enjoy and appreciate wines over the course of years yields many surprises and delights and, of course, some disappointments. But living with, experiencing and understanding a Burgundy vintage with all its quirks is reward in itself that facile numerical ratings will never begin to capture.

The following outstanding 2004 Domaine de la Romanée-Conti reds are scheduled for availability in Pennsylvania in July 2007, but the double dilemma of extremely limited supplies and incredibly high demand from restaurant customers will constrain retail inventories.

* 2004 Domaine de la Romanée-Conti Romanee Saint-Vivant (Special Liquor Order 63395, $550.19): Recommended.
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Bob Ross » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:50 am

Parker and WS on the Yquem:

Wine Advocate: 100 Wine Spectator: 100

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"100 out of 100...There are 10,000 cases of this perfect sweet white Bordeaux. The 2001 Yquem reveals a hint of green in its light gold color. While somewhat reticent aromatically, with airing, it offers up honeyed tropical fruit, orange marmalade, pineapple, sweet creme brulee, and buttered nut-like scents. In the mouth, it is full-bodied with gorgeously refreshing acidity as well as massive concentration and unctuosity. Everything is uplifted and given laser-like focus by refreshing acidity. This large-scaled, youthful Yquem appears set to take its place among the most legendary vintages of the past, and will age effortlessly for 75+ years. Anticipated maturity: 2010-2100+." - R.M.P., Jr.

"100 out of 100...The greatest young Yquem I have ever tasted from bottle. Yellow, with a golden hue and an almost green tint. Intense aromas of botrytis, spices and blanched almonds follow through to honey, maple syrup, dried apricot and pineapple. Full-bodied, sweet, thick and powerful, with layers of fruit and a bright, lively finish. Coats the palate yet remains exciting. So balanced and refined, showing the pedigree that only this Sauternes estate can deliver. Best after 2012. 10,000 cases made." - W.S.

I tasted and loved this wine, FWIW.
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Mark Lipton » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:52 am

Robin Garr wrote:Louis Jadot Corton-Charlemagne 2003 ($200)
Domaine de la Romanee-Conti Romanee-Saint-Vivant 2004 ($950)
Chateau de Beaucastel Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2004 ($130)
Penfolds Grange Shiraz 2001 ($240)
Tenuta San Guido Sassicaia 2002 ($250)
Chateau d' Yquem 2001 ($890)


First of all, the $130 price tag on the Beaucastel seems high to me, but too low to be the Hommage bottling. From my limited experience, '04 in the S. Rhone may suffer the same fate as it is in Bdx: getting lost amidst the hype surrounding '05. FWIW, I think that '04 CdPs are likely to be more appealing to me than the '05s as they seem quite structured and ageworthy and not overly extracted. Please do post your impressions of these wines, as the Beaucastel at least is on my radar.

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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Peter May » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:54 am

Trivia

Penfolds Grange is on the shelves of UK Tesco supermarkets at £99 (around $200) including all taxes. 5% off when 6 bought..
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by Bob Ross » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:57 am

Robinson on the Sassicaia:

Sassicaia 2002
Tenuta San Guido

TASTING NOTES
"Very brisk, smooth, seductive nose. Smart, sweet, nose that convinces the taster, in the way of a Bordeaux first growth, that only the finest French oak has been used. Gentle, winning texture but pretty expensive (£575 in bond per dozen from John Armit). Already a fine and satisfying mouthful displaying mild, Lafite-like charm. There is quality and vigour here and the wine should have a long life. A good wine to counter 2002´s reputation in Italy..." JancisRobinson.com (JR, 03/31/2005)

Rating: 18
Drink from: 2005 to 2015
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Bob Ross » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:03 am

Tanzer on the Jadot -- rated 96:

Knockout musky, soil-driven aromas of lime, chicken broth and crushed stone. At once dense and penetrating, with elegant but seriously intense flavors of lime, lemon, powdered stone and mint. Wonderfully light on its feet for a wine with this degree of power and thrust. Great building aftertaste shows superb density and cut. This should age like a red wine, and will be spectacular in 8 or 10 years.(Stephen Tanzer's International Wine Cellar)
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by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:56 pm

Bob Ross wrote:Tanzer on the Jadot -- rated 96:

Knockout musky, soil-driven aromas of lime, chicken broth and crushed stone. At once dense and penetrating, with elegant but seriously intense flavors of lime, lemon, powdered stone and mint. Wonderfully light on its feet for a wine with this degree of power and thrust. Great building aftertaste shows superb density and cut. This should age like a red wine, and will be spectacular in 8 or 10 years.(Stephen Tanzer's International Wine Cellar)


Thanks, Bob! I appreciate your effort, but am also skimming them lightly, as I really was looking more for interesting winery factoids, history and trivia. I generally try not to read the Usual Suspects (or even unusual ones) before making a presentation like this because I don't want to be influenced by what The Bob and others have said.
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by Nathan Smyth » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:39 pm

I don't understand the 2001 Grange - certainly not at $240.

It's a nice wine, but man, I'd have a hard time justifying much more than $24.99 for it [call it $19.99 by the case].

Intellectually speaking, I'd be really interested to see what Jadot did with a CC in such a hot year - whether there is any residual sugar [or even dominating residual sugar/gobbiness/flabbiness], or whether there is some underlying minerality which might be able to come to the fore with sufficient bottle age.

Of course, these things can be difficult to determine in a speed tasting - ideally, I'd want several days [or a week] to follow that CC to see how it developed - and, as always, it would be especially interesting to see how it was drinking on Day Two.
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Graeme Gee » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:33 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:I don't understand the 2001 Grange - certainly not at $240.
It's a nice wine, but man, I'd have a hard time justifying much more than $24.99 for it [call it $19.99 by the case].


Robin,
You doubtless know all this (and you can get the horse's mouth version from the Penfolds website) but this attitude of Nathan's is exactly what Grange encountered when first made by Max Schubert back in the 50s.

He'd been inspired to create a great aging wine during a visit to Bordeaux in the vintage of 1949 - the main purpose of his trip was to study sherry-making techniques in Spain, and then he followed the vintage north. Fed some old Bordeaux wines by Christian Cruse, he was amazed at their evolution, and upon his return to Australia determined to create a red wine capable of maturing for twenty years.

He began his experiments with shiraz (cabernet being unavailable in the quantities needed), and its fermentation and aging in new oak casks - techniques new to Australia, but which he had seen used in Bordeaux (but with French oak, instead of US, obviously).

After a few years, the Board of Penfolds convened for a tasting of this new wine of Schubert's, significant quantities of which were now maturing in the drives at the Magill winery. Perhaps predictably in Schubert's absence, they hated it. Schubert was ordered to stop making the wine (on the verge of the 1957 vintage) while they decided what to do with the existing stocks of what was clearly to them an unsaleable wine. With the connivance of one Penfold family member, and some of his loyal staff, Schubert defied the order and continued to make the wine in secret, in reduced quantities for the 57-58-59 vintages. He couldn't get the new oak he wanted, so the quality wasn't quite there, and his team made up false panels behind which to hide the maturing stocks in the winery bins, which has led to those three vintages becoming known as 'hidden Granges'.

Anyway, in 1960, some of these early Granges (52,53) were retasted by the board, who now found them utterly altered, and the acclamation for the wine began. Schubert was nearly sacked for his insubordination, but nonetheless got all the materials he wanted, and the wine has never really looked back. An interesting consequence of all this was the policy that the wine never be released until at least 5 years of age; a policy Penfolds follows to this day, and a silent reminder of that reception it first received when tasted by people unfamilar with Schubert's aim.

As I say, check out the website for the full story.
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by Bob Ross » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:15 pm

Very interesting, Graeme. Thanks. Bob
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by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:39 pm

Graeme Gee wrote:As I say, check out the website for the full story.


Thanks Graeme! I found essentially the same story on Wikipedia, a source that's usuall decent but occasionally iffy, and it's nice to have it reinforced.

I found the wine pretty much impenetrable oak at this point, by the way, although it's certainly possible to detect elements of potential character in there. There's no use trying to taste Grange, or to justify its lofty price, drinking it very young ... I haven't had much of the stuff, but I've been fortunate enough to taste a few older ones and recognize that. :)
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Robin Garr » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:43 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:Intellectually speaking, I'd be really interested to see what Jadot did with a CC in such a hot year - whether there is any residual sugar [or even dominating residual sugar/gobbiness/flabbiness], or whether there is some underlying minerality which might be able to come to the fore with sufficient bottle age.

Of course, these things can be difficult to determine in a speed tasting - ideally, I'd want several days [or a week] to follow that CC to see how it developed - and, as always, it would be especially interesting to see how it was drinking on Day Two.


It was just about what I expected from 2003 ... definitely some CC character lurking in there, but overall a big boy, full of tropical fruit and butter, lots of pineapple, whiffs of smoke and just a wisp of chestnuts, but difficult or impossible - for me at least - to detect any minerality or even any subtlety under all the tropical fruit. Tasted blind, I would probably have assumed it was a California cult Chard.
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by Michael K » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:12 am

Robin,

In addition to some of the other comments that noted the prices being too high compared to what is out there now (and I live in MA, the land of high priced wines...), the prices do appear to be high across the board.

2001 Yquem's are readily available for about $500.
Sassicaia 2002 is well under $200 (mostly around the $150 mark)
The DRC is inside of $750...etc,...

Of that list, I've only tasted the 2001 Yquem and it is a great wine......just not earthmoving an experience as I had hoped for. In fact, I thought that the 2001 la tour blanche and the 2001 coutet both gave the Yquem a run for it's money at 1/8th the price.
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by Nathan Smyth » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:31 am

If anybody wants to open a bottle of 40 or 50 year old Grange, then you're welcome to prove my dubiousness unwarranted.

But I gotta tell you - for the price of one of those Granges, I can get literally 10 of Michael or John Riddoch, and that's a no-brainer for me.
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by Nathan Smyth » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:43 am

Robin Garr wrote:It was just about what I expected from 2003 ... definitely some CC character lurking in there, but overall a big boy, full of tropical fruit and butter, lots of pineapple, whiffs of smoke and just a wisp of chestnuts, but difficult or impossible - for me at least - to detect any minerality or even any subtlety under all the tropical fruit. Tasted blind, I would probably have assumed it was a California cult Chard.

I keep seeing a lot of 2003 white burgundy lying around unsold, and I keep wondering if some of it might be like the 2003 Germans - where the initial flabbiness seems to have masked some really nice fruit, and [I HOPE!] some minerality which will eventually emerge.

But good grief, Burgundy is an awfully expensive minefield for that kinda experimentation.
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Robin Garr » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:55 am

Michael K wrote:Robin,

In addition to some of the other comments that noted the prices being too high compared to what is out there now (and I live in MA, the land of high priced wines...), the prices do appear to be high across the board.


Michael, I raised this question with the distributor, and they were ... skittish. ;)

These prices are the distributor's estimates, based on a high markup from their wholesale price. I expect street prices are considerably lower, but the distributor is reluctant to post a lowball price that would make the more mercenary retailers feel exposed in public for their high prices.
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Re: Help me out with info on a few "trophy" wines ...

by Robin Garr » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:58 am

Nathan Smyth wrote:If anybody wants to open a bottle of 40 or 50 year old Grange, then you're welcome to prove my dubiousness unwarranted.

But I gotta tell you - for the price of one of those Granges, I can get literally 10 of Michael or John Riddoch, and that's a no-brainer for me.


Don't get me wrong, Nathan. I don't buy Grange. And I don't <i>like</i> young Grange. On rare occasions, though, when I've had access to mature Grange thanks to the generosity of pals, the older models have been impressive. It really takes a decade or more, though.

Of course, as in the story Graeme cited, legend has it that even Penfolds didn't recognize what Shubert was up to until they tasted some older stuff.

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