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Keith M
Beer Explorer
1184
Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
Finger Lakes, New York
Robin Garr wrote:I prefer the freezer to the ice bucket for simple convenience, and I'm not persuaded by the conventional wisdom that the ice bucket works faster. After all, it's only 32F in there, unless you add a lot of salt in the old home ice-cream-maker tradition, a procedure that confers a slight risk of salting your wine if you don't rinse the bottle thoroughly before opening. Spare the mess. Use your freezer, that's my advice.
it can't claim to be an organic wine under new regulations that many (including me) consider profoundly wrong-headed, as it is made with a rational application of sulfites to protect its freshness.
Keith M wrote:my experience has been that chilling wine in a bucket of ice and water is significantly faster than chilling it in the freezer. Not sure exactly what my freezer temperature is, but it takes about 30 minutes in the freezer to chill properly versus 12-15 minutes in the ice bucket. As you note, the temperature in the ice bucket can't get below 32F, but I thought that the relevant variable here was the density.
How recent are these regulations, Robin? It seems like the sulfite ban in organic wine has been around for a few years, but I don't really know how long.
Gary Barlettano
Pappone di Vino
1909
Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Gary Barlettano wrote:Think of this. You stick your arms into a 450º F pizza oven to remove your pie. It takes a while before your arms burn. Stick them, however, into a bucket of 450º F water and you will see just how much better water conducts heat than air. The same principle applies to cooling engines etc.
Gary Barlettano
Pappone di Vino
1909
Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Hoke wrote:When you add vinegar to those sulfite, a sulfuric gas is produced---and a couple of people reacted to that gas by choking to death!
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Robin Garr wrote:Hoke wrote:When you add vinegar to those sulfite, a sulfuric gas is produced---and a couple of people reacted to that gas by choking to death!
This explains my reaction Saturday to the worst home wine I have ever tasted at the Kentucky State Fair judging: A veritable stew of acetobacter and "if a little metabisulfite is good, a whole lot must be better," it literally made me choke. I've never had that reaction to a wine before, and I am not sulfite-sensitive. But this, even though a relatively minor reaction - calling 911 was never in question - had to be one of the most dangerous wines I've ever encountered.
I wanted to look up the wine maker's details so I could go punch him ...
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
It's people like this that give us a bad name. Well at least it wasn't corked.Robin Garr wrote:This explains my reaction Saturday to the worst home wine I have ever tasted at the Kentucky State Fair judging: A veritable stew of acetobacter and "if a little metabisulfite is good, a whole lot must be better," it literally made me choke. I've never had that reaction to a wine before, and I am not sulfite-sensitive. But this, even though a relatively minor reaction - calling 911 was never in question - had to be one of the most dangerous wines I've ever encountered.
I wanted to look up the wine maker's details so I could go punch him ...
Hoke wrote:a Quest to track down that wine and champion it.
Howie Hart wrote:Well at least it wasn't corked.
Hoke wrote: When you add vinegar to those sulfite, a sulfuric gas is produced---and a couple of people reacted to that gas by choking to death!
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Mark Lipton wrote:[
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Here's simple way to illustrate this. Put one hand in a 350Deg.F oven and put the other in a pot of water, boiling at 212DegF.Mark Lipton wrote:On the other topic of why wines cool faster in an ice bucket than in the freezer, Gary is right about air vs. water, but the relevant quantity is known as "heat capacity" and water has one of the highest commonly encountered. What I do to cool a wine quickly is place it in a cooling jacket that is permanently in the freezer. That way, we get efficient cooling from a -10 °F source.
Mark Lipton
Phillip Gregory
Just got here
2
Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:28 pm
Sydney Australia
Phillip Gregory
Just got here
2
Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:28 pm
Sydney Australia
Cynthia Wenslow
Pizza Princess
5746
Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm
The Third Coast
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