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Much Sancerre is diluted, generic, and swillish, but then most wines from all categories are diluted, generic, and swillish.

What is the vinous equivalent of "misanthrope"?

I don't know, but there's nothing misanthropic in that statement - it just derives from Sturgeon's Law.

Much Sancerre is diluted, generic, and swillish, but then most wines from all categories are diluted, generic, and swillish.

What is the vinous equivalent of "misanthrope"?

I don't know, but there's nothing misanthropic in that statement - it just derives from Sturgeon's Law.

And thus it follows in all ways that most people are diluted, generic and swillish!

What is the vinous equivalent of "misanthrope"?

Why are you anthromorphizing wine!

Why are you anthromorphizing wine!

Actually quite easy to do as we attribute to wine a personality, stages of development, death......

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Rogov

Why are you anthromorphizing wine!

Actually quite easy to do as we attribute to wine a personality, stages of development, death......

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Rogov

Good point.

A logical equivalent to "misanthrope" in the case of wine (instead of man) would be misoenos (or misoinos). Maybe we need to anglicise this to misenoste (since some people mistakenly write enology), but I'm not sure. Any ideas anyone?

Just substitute “vinum” or “vinous” with “anthrope“.

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Sorry David C.

I do not think so, because you are mixing latin with greek if you use vinum as a root

I believe “vinum” is Latin and “oinos” is Greek.

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Understood now David, "miso" or "misa" is hate in Greek.

You've got it.

I believe “vinum” is Latin and “oinos” is Greek.

Indeed, but the etymology of this word is rather complicated. Because the Greek actually had a digamma originally, so it was actually woinos - and there you can see that it is actually the same root in both Latin and Greek. But the etymology of the word becomes even more complicated because some Caucasian languages (which, of course, are completely unrelated to Indo-European ones like Latin and Greek) have a similar sounding root to describe wine (e.g. ghvino in Georgian).

But, just to make sure that things aren't too simple, Semitic languages (once again, completely unrelated to both Indo-European and Caucasian languages) also have such a root! It's quite a rare root, but it can be traced back through so many languages for such a long time that it can be reconstructed as part of proto-Semitic - i.e. it is not a loan word from either I-E or Caucasian languages! We find it in Hebrew as *yayin, in Arabic as wayn and in Epigraphic Old South Arabic as a tri-consonantal root whose vocalization we don't know as WYN.

It seems that the word is one of these pan-Mediterranean words that seems to be natural to all the language groups in the area. There are a couple other famous ones like this, e.g. "bull" Greek taur- which is thawr in Arabic; or "seven" which is sept- in Latin and sebet- in Akkadian. These are really interesting words because they hint at contact between speakers of proto-IE and proto-Semitic from times before historical linguistics can reach back to.

* Etymologically this also begins with *w- but in Hebrew the sound for some reason has changed to y- , except in the case of the word "and" which is *wa and is also [i]wa[/] in Hebrew.

I believe “vinum” is Latin and “oinos” is Greek.

Indeed, but the etymology of this word is rather complicated. Because the Greek actually had a digamma originally, so it was actually woinos - and there you can see that it is actually the same root in both Latin and Greek. But the etymology of the word becomes even more complicated because some Caucasian languages (which, of course, are completely unrelated to Indo-European ones like Latin and Greek) have a similar sounding root to describe wine (e.g. ghvino in Georgian).

But, just to make sure that things aren't too simple, Semitic languages (once again, completely unrelated to both Indo-European and Caucasian languages) also have such a root! It's quite a rare root, but it can be traced back through so many languages for such a long time that it can be reconstructed as part of proto-Semitic - i.e. it is not a loan word from either I-E or Caucasian languages! We find it in Hebrew as *yayin, in Arabic as wayn and in Epigraphic Old South Arabic as a tri-consonantal root whose vocalization we don't know as WYN.

It seems that the word is one of these pan-Mediterranean words that seems to be natural to all the language groups in the area. There are a couple other famous ones like this, e.g. "bull" Greek taur- which is thawr in Arabic; or "seven" which is sept- in Latin and sebet- in Akkadian. These are really interesting words because they hint at contact between speakers of proto-IE and proto-Semitic from times before historical linguistics can reach back to.

* Etymologically this also begins with *w- but in Hebrew the sound for some reason has changed to y- , except in the case of the word "and" which is *wa and is also [i]wa[/] in Hebrew.

Ah, isn't language (and all that it involves of culture and society and history) fun!?!

Thanks Otto!

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Just as an aside to the "flavor" debate. This reminds me of a French couple I had working for me a few years ago. Every time their parents visited they would have them bring me various French wines usually inexpensive ones that my wife and I found lacking in flavor (i.e. not a lot of forward fruit - which us Australians actually like, after all we have grown up drinking those wines). In return I gave them various Australian offerings like Barossa Shiraz, Sparkling Shiraz and Rutherglen fortifieds. And their (and their parents) opinion was that these wines were too fruity. So I’m not sure that there is any elitism in preferring fruit forward wines (or vice versa), it more about what your accustomed to drinking.

Mike

So I’m not sure that there is any elitism in preferring fruit forward wines (or vice versa), it more about what your accustomed to drinking.

Mike,

Your position is way too reasonable. You have to love one style, and feel compelled to spit the other style out.